Photography plan subscribers ask for more attention

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After reading about Search Added to Lightroom Web as Technology Preview I felt the need to comment about what seems the CC evolution direction.
I am sorry to see Adobe wasting an enormous amount of time with these web/mobile things: do Adobe really thinks a serious post-production can be made on a smartphone, using fingers? Am I stupid for having spent money on a calibrated monitor and a 32 Gb RAM desktop? Lightroom web looks cool, but it is just a way to introduce newbies to this piece of software, I really see no reason for it to exist for people who pay for a CC plan. During whole 2015 photographers only got bug fixes, cosmetic changes and Dehaze: useful things, sure, but not enough to make us feel happy to pay for the plan. Please, do something for photographers! Photography plan subscribers are paying for constant desktop software updates and are just getting mobile apps and web interfaces!
Is it ideas Adobe needs? Here are a few: 1) better raw conversion: Nikon's NEF files look still much better in Capture NX-D than in Lightroom/Photoshop. Not only the colours are different, but the images are more contrasted and defined: even adding some contrast and clarity gets you nowhere near what the freeware-but-clunky Nikon software can do; 2) full healing brush and clone stamp in Lightroom: it is frustrating to have to open another application (Photoshop) and convert the file to tiff (5 times the size of the original RAW) just for a little flaw Lightroom was unable to get rid of; 3) make all editing controls available in Camera Raw/Lightroom's local adjustments tools: hue, HSL, curves, full sharpening and noise reduction. For example, there is no way to neutralise a colour from a small portion of the image working on a RAW file; 4) subtler contrast and clarity sliders: contrast slider affects colour saturation as well as contrast; clarity slider improves medium-sized local details, but makes small details muddy; 5) many more options in the Book, Presentation and Print modules, which are way too limited today: for example exporting to pdf offers no protection from image extracting, and I have to use a non-Adobe freeware to get this important feature; 6) colour-space aware galleries in the Web module...; and many more!
Photography plan subscribers love Lightroom and Photoshop, and need them to be the best image editing software in the world. Please give us more attention!
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Fabrizio Giuffrida

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Rikk Flohr, Champion

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Feature requests work much better as a one request per post/thread. That way, people can comment specifically on the feature being requested and add their vote to the request by hitting the vote button at the top of this page. With so many requests, it is difficult to categorize and understand how much support an individual feature among the half-dozen you've listed. Please consider reposting features separately, and, if they already exist, add your own +1 vote to the existing request.
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Lightroom gives you the tools to calibrate your Nikon camera to make NEF files match Capture RAW conversions. Learn how. Spot removal tool can not only remove spots, but power lines; can do content aware large object removal, and can do cloning. Learn how. Radial Filter easily out does Nik,s UPoint technology. Learn how. I suggest you learn more about the software prior to critizing it.
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Fabrizio Giuffrida

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It is not the camera who must match the software conversion, it is the other way round. I am not talking about editing, but about conversion, the moment when the software reads the RAW data and renders them in a graphic file. If Nikon's conversion is more defined - slightly more in focus and with better contrast - than Adobe's, it is probably the latter that needs improvement. In fact we are still using 2012 camera calibration, maybe it is time for a more precise version.
I have been using Lightroom since version 3, and I have used the spot removal tool countless times, I know well its strengths and weaknesses. If you meant to say that it works the same way as Photoshop healing brush and clone stamp you clearly have not used them ever.
I did not mention Nik U-points and not even thought about them - besides they are absent from Capture NX-D. I was talking about the possibility of using all the editing tools locally: not just the ones we have but also hue, HSL, curves and so on.
I suggest you read posts carefully before surrendering to the urge to comment.
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You can see all the topics that have been implemented here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightroom?topi...

1) You should be able to achieve similar or better results. If you want the starting point to look more like the results from Nikon, be sure to use camera profiles
2) Add your vote and specifics here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_more_photoshop_like_clone_healing_b... We've aded non-circular healing, improved the healing algorithm, and many other improvements over the years.
3) We've added many over the years, such as local blacks/whites and dehire. Vote and prioritize which are most important here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/all_adjustments_local
4/5/6) Please make a separate topics
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Fabrizio Giuffrida

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Thank you Jeffrey for your suggestions and for the links you provided, I will add my vote. However I did not want to request new features, these were just examples. My point is that in 2015 the desktop versions of Lightroom and Photoshop have received less attention from Adobe than the mobile versions. I am asking Adobe to change that.
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Fabrizio Giuffrida

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Thanks everybody for your replies, but I am afraid they are off topic: the subject of my post is not asking for new features, and much less criticising the applications I use everyday in my work. The subject is my opinion that Adobe is spending a lot of time developing mobile apps and the web version of Lightroom AND is not spending the same amount of time on improving the desktop versions. One of the main reasons to subscribe to CC Photography Plan is to receive constant updates to our beloved desktop applications. Bug fixes and new lens profiles are of course welcome, but in 2015 we did not receive much more than that. I hope it was just a bad year and that 2016 will bring us new amazing features and fabulous improvements of the existing ones. But right now I feel neglected. Had I been using a traditional Lightroom licence (which I still own), I would not have seen reasons to upgrade from LR5 to LR6. As stated in my post title, I am asking Adobe to pay more attention to photographers who work every day with Lightroom and Photoshop on a big, calibrated monitor and a powerful desktop computer and have no time to play with mobile apps and smartphone screens.
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New features available to Photographer's Program not available to Perpetual Holders: 

Lightroom for mobile from Desktop
Lightroom for web
Dehaze
Local Dehaze
Local Black and White sliders
Boundary Warp

None of these are available in LR 6.x 

BTW your original post reads like 6 Numbered Feature Requests - many of these requests already exist.  Have you added your vote to them?
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Fabrizio Giuffrida

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Sorry Rikk, I was writing a reply to your post but you were faster than me! Local Black and White sliders is the only useful feature I see in the list - of course this is just my opinion, and others may disagree.
I did not want to request new features. I just meant to give examples of things that could be done. Anyway I will check the existing requests and add my vote. But the reason I wrote the post is that in 2015 the desktop versions of Lightroom and Photoshop have received less attention from Adobe than the mobile versions. I am asking Adobe to change that.
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I just added my vote to Fabrizios post, eventough I doubt this will make any difference whatsoever.
I find his comments on the 'recent' development of LR hit the nail on the head. The focus for development seems to shift very heavily to the web/mobile sector while the traditional desktop application is somewhat forgotten.
So many times have I read this thing about 'add your vote to request xyz so Adobe gets to know what users want/request'. Does that really mean Adobe won't take requests into consideration if they don't get a certain amount of 'votes'? How big is the percentage of LR users that know of this forum and that they 'have to come here and vote for new features'? 1%, maybe? I wouldn't read too much into these vote numbers, they are nowhere representative.
Back in the old days there used to be a constant development of the application, new features, new ideas. And users did not have to vote for them. Could it be because back then people like Mark Hamburg had lots of ideas and took suggestions and request seriously?

It can't be that Adobe is out of ideas. Just look at this forum - it is full of ideas, feature requests. Many of them are several years old yet very little has ever materialized.
It would be nice if Adobe would dedicate again more development time to the traditional desktop application - because it is a great application and deserves the attention!
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Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging

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As noted and demonstrated by this list that is 10 pages long, many requests from here do get implemented: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightroom?topi...

Other items are under consideration/development but some ideas take longer than others to implement.
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