Lightroom: Ability to create custom book templates/sizes from scratch

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Provide a way to create new pages completely from scratch by laying out the position of the picture frames and text frames instead of using just the provided templates. I like to do my own layouts that match the text.

Also can we have double page layouts where they are linked and cannot be broken apart.
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Issam Hijazi

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Why would you make your life harder while there are websites like shutterfly.com, snapfish.com andhttp://www.snaptoshop.com ?

Just saying (:
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I have to say, I am really disappointed:
One of the reasons I bought LR was not to have to use the often annoying software from specific vendors to do photobooks. While I knew that LR was coupled to Blurb, I read that you could also export to pdf, which was enough for me. Allowing the export only in the blurb formats now prevents me from using the whole module, as the formats are not suited for my purposes. Together with the layout restrictions this leaves the impression of an utterly unprofessional module, in an otherwise great software. Actually, I didn't even think to check for these possibilities, as it seemed obvious to me that they must be included.
To top my frustration, there even was one thing at blurb I wanted to order, which was the pocket calendar - turns out, this is not included in LR.
Sorry for adding nothing constructive (other than ADD THESE FEATURES! (the first two, anyway)), just wanted to share my frustration.
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I really hope that Adobe doesn't abandon this module. I currently do not use it because of the limitaitons, but let me tell you that I would if I could freely draw frames and drop in images, set borders for one or all images on a spread and build template (full-album and single page or spread). I currently am using $300 software to do this and it's not working well. I'd gladly pay $300 to Adobe for this feature that's so sorely implemented in this industry of wedding and event album layout design.
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Don't hold your breath until you see something different ... it will be at least a year to 18 months before Lr 5 comes out ... if Adobe sticks to their historical version cycles ...

With each passing day I am becoming more inclined to believe that Adobe developed the Book module to benefit Blurb's printing operation, rather than a tool for Lightroom users to design books. Currently, EVERYTHING that the module offers is wholly wrapped around the Blurb business model and is the way it is because Blurb requires it to be so ... it was not developed to enhance the average photographer's workflow ... It really goes against nearly every other software option Adobe has developed over the past two decades ... I find it VERY troubling ...
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I fully agree with all the statements about the frustration with the limited formats and locking us to Blurb as only option.
But: being able to create PDF files is helpful. This can be used to create digital books in a fast way, making use of all the design support the book function offers.

This option is demonstrated in a youtube video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkY_miWkOc

Not an alternative to what we all are asking for, but a way to make use of the book feature 'as is'.
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There is no use for the bookmodule without customisation of pages. I would also be happy to habe a double page layout.

Thanks!

Chris
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Hopefully a template builder will be available in LR5.

It's flexibility is badly needed....
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Edward Fielding

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Any book module should include the most popular sizes and ebook capability. I tried using the book module with createspace.com (Amazon) and it was a nightmare. I ended up with something usable by adding extra columns but the cover ended up a bit squeezed.

Industry standard trim sizes:

Full-color interior books:
5.5" x 8.5"
6" x 9"
6.14" x 9.21"
7" x 10"
8" x 10"
8.5" x 8.5"
8.5" x 11"

Black and white interior books:
5" x 8"
5.06 x 7.81"
5.25" x 8"
5.5" x 8.5"
6" x 9"
6.14" x 9.21"
6.69" x 9.61"
7" x 10"
7.44" x 9.69"
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In the current form, Book module is useless.

Primarily because of lack of custom page sizes for JPEG/PDF books.

I could live with the fixed layouts, but the fixed pages sizes are a restriction, which makes the module utterly useless: online print shops use all kind of different paper sizes and mine doesn't offer ANY of the sizes Lightroom forces me to use.
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Extremely disappointed.

I bought Lighroom 4 specifically because of its Photobook function, including the possibility to export pdf Photobooks, so I would become independent from individual photobook producers.

I had read that Adobe decided to only support Blurb (maybe getting quite some money from them for this effort to restrict their paying customers?), but given the pdf option, it still seemed better than using custom photobook software by individual vendors, which might no longer be supported in a few months/years and has no export functionality.

What utterly surprised me though are the restrictions and limitations of the Photobook module. It almost seems like Adobe is doing this on purpose to tie their users to Blurb.

How can a software like this be released
- without supporting custom (or at leas European) page sizes? You are selling this software in Europe, even at a significantly higher price than via your US website!!!
- without support for custom layouts? Even the simplest vendor-provided software solutions offer this.
- without easy and reliable support for text blocks?

What makes the situation worse were the promises many months ago that more flexibility would be provided soon (luring customers into buying LR 4) and then the complete turnaround, saying that the effort for Adobe is too much and the creation of custom templates would be too difficult for your users anyway.

If it was easy to return software for a refund, believe me I would. It's a pity that an otherwise well designed software has one module as flawed as the photobook module. As I bought it specifically for that module, the product is next to useless for me.
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I'd like to be able create custom layouts too - particularly being able to move text and image placeholders. I'd also like to see the ability to link text fields to EXIF data. Thanks.
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I would really like to be able to create completely custom page layouts from scratch in the blurb book module in Lightroom 4, and/or customize existing page layouts more fully and save as a new page layout. If I use BookSmart on the blurb.com website I would have that option, why not from within Lightroom?

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Fully custom layouts in blurb book module.
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I would like to add my support to the points already made very well and in full above. I was very happy about the arrival of the book module and much prefer staying in the application and being able to edit books within the application, i.e. without exporting and with the full benefit of quick adjustements to virtual copies. But the limitations imposed by the the restrictive template-only approach are fairly extreme. We obviously should be able to create cells - both photo and text - of any size anywhere, to add as many as we want, to be able to overlap them, and to change their size and proportions as we wish. As it is, this feels like something aimed at low-end consumers (though I am not even sure that navigating the templates is actually easier than simply dragging photos onto an empty page and being able to do whatever you want with them). One telling aspect of the templates is that often the result will only look good with the (default!) option of 'zoom to fill' - which readily assumes that the composition of the photo is easily up for grabs, while arranging pleasing page layouts for multiple photos in their original, deliberate poportions can be almost impossible. Templates should work the way they do in other modules: they should be useful for inspiration and quick editing, but should in no way restrict the artistic design and possibilities.
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I want to print a book, but I don't want to use blurb. The company I want to use prints on 8x11 paper but that is not a one of Blurbs page sizes so I can not seem to use it.
I contacted Adobe and they said that the book module was really only meant for Blurb and that they could not help me. I was actually told to check with Blub to see if they could support me...
Does anybody know if there is anyway that I can use the blurb module for anything useful (assuming I don't want to use blurb), or is it just something pretty to look at and to anticipate as an actual usable feature in Lightroom 5?

Any plugins, or any way to create or upload a new templet?
I know this question was asked before, but it was not answered, it left off with something along the lines of 'maybe they will answer this soon' Thanks for any help. By the way, after years of reading boards, this is my first time ever posting to one.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: Can I change page size in the Burb module/ Book module to 8x11?.
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Hi, As you suggest in your 2nd paragraph, the Book Module in LR4 is, IMHO, nothing more than a place holder for a "coming attraction" - like a preview trailer in the movies. Right now, interesting to look at, hopefully a hint at what is to come, but for all practical purposes not currently usable for any serious purpose.
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Unless you're happy to use Blurb (which is good enough for some...) then I recommend just forget about the Lightroom book module. It seems like Adobe has changed their response a time or two since LR4 came out. My take is that they don't really have a plan, although maybe they get royalties from Blurb so that's all they'll ever do. See what they do in 5.
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Having used Booksmart this was my main reason for purchasing Lightroom 4. What a let down! I pretty much agree with all that has been said by others.
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Die Zusammenarbeit zwischen Adobe und Blurb ist sehr begrüssenswert. Leider entsprechen die Gestaltungsmöglichkeiten in Lightroom 4 / Buch nicht denjenigen der blurbsmart-Software. Ich würde es deshalb sehr begrüssen, wenn die Gestaltungsmöglichkeiten in Lightroom 4 mittels eines Updates ausgebaut würden.

Beste Grüsse

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Lightroom: improve design options for photo books from Blurb.
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[Sorry, I think I posted this in the Reply box earlier].
I love and can't exist without Lightroom for the Library and Develop modules but I'm afraid the Book Module is most disappointing and quite literally a pain to use - my arm has a case of RSI trying to adjust the wretched padding and offsets. The fixed templates are one thing but several basic layouts don't exist or they have black frames with no option to change the colour - or I could not find it.

I agree absolutely with the comments above and endorse their suggestions - it needs a complete overhaul but I suppose that means one will have to buy the upgrade LR5 to make use of it. Will I upgrade for that? I don’t think so – there are much better options out there.

I have used a local book vendor and their software is a breeze, albeit very expensive, by comparison to Lightroom + Blurb. At first I thought it was my lack of knowledge of the module but I have just completed a 60 page book and think I know my way around, including LR help. When LR 4 came out the Book Module held such promise but how disappointing!
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Is it me or it's just impossible to resize, enlarge or reduce the photo cells?

How could Adobe release something so restricted like this? Even my $0.99 Diptic app on the iPhone and OSX allows me to simply drag, resize and zoom in on each photo and each photo cell!!

Of course Diptic cannot beat the convenience of Lightroom with its custom collections and direct link to multiple versions of images, but are you serious?! No resizing or changing the photo windows/cells?
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No, it's not you. It's just that the Book Module is not ready for prime time and it's lack of functionality really drags down the overal impression of LR many have of what is otherwise a wonderful product.

What is very odd is that LR does have most all of what is needed over in the Print Module where, when using Print Package and Custom Package layout styles you can resize cells as well as move them around and have them overlap. Why they couldn't adapt that technology over in the Book Module is a mystery. Maybe the Book Module developers are on a different floor in the Adobe building than the Print Module developers.

However, I suspect that there were issues working within the boundries of the Blurb API that prevented full functionality in the initial roll out. The key, IMHO, will be what shows up in LR5 now that they've had time to work with Blurb to overcome some of these shortfalls. Of course, Blurb may be disappointed in how few orders they've gotten through the LR Book Module and may not be all that interested in investing more development time working with Adobe on these problems.

I guess we'll just need to wait and see. For me, right now it's sort of a "Watch this space" module. If LR5 comes out without giving us full creative control of page layouts, then my view will change to "Ignore this module and remove it from the Module Picker"

Dan
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"Maybe the Book Module developers are on a different floor in the Adobe building than the Print Module developers. "

Ironically, the same fellow largely responsible for the Print module (Kevin Tieskoetter) ... also did the Book module ... it's really weird how Adobe can do something so right (i.e. - Print module) then do something so wrong as with the Book module ... especially a company with two decades of background in PageMaker and InDesign ... not to mention a firm with the resources of $4.4B (yeah, that's a "B" as in Billion) in annual revenue ...

You can read what was the thinking in the Book module development in this interview:

http://www.pixiq.com/article/kevin-ti...
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I so Agree. The Book module is a complete letdown. I can't control the number of images and as for custoem styles jeeez. Hopeless.
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Hi all
Me also I shared the idea. I really hope LR5 will have those features, but from the beta it seems not. Anybody has some news?
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LR5 is already out but the Book module has none of the requested customisation features... sigh, they never listen.
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Can we have some standard page sizes at least for PDF / JPG?
Right now, there are 5 Blurb sizes.

What about A4, Letter (so we can print on a normal printer)?
What about some standard sizes used by other printers?
What about custom sizes?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LIGHTROOM: Book Module Custom Templates.


The addition of custom template creation was a welcome addition in LR5.2. Unfortunately you didn't go far enough. We need to be able to create cells and move them. Also the handling of text is very cumbersome at best. We need text addition capabilities like the Print and Slideshow Modules with broad metadata extraction capability. Julieanne Kost's Lightroom 4 workaround by creating templates in the Print Module and saving them to the Book Module as images is too, too cumbersome. We need Custom Cells and Custome text creation and saving as Auto Flow templates.

Also Autoflow should be able to flow at minimum two different templates, one for landscape orientation images and one for portrait orientation images.
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I'm agree we need to be able to create cell photo, move cell etc. But for metadata extraction capability you can already do in the book module using the text panel

Currently I prefer to use the Blurb plugin Blurb and BookSmart http://www.blurb.fr/lightroom-plugin
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Book module in LR5 is EXTREMELY LIMITED and needs improvement!.


The Blurb method of bookmaking is EXTREMELY LIMITED and lacks the ability to customize pages (such as adding more photographs to pages, moving photo layouts around, placing text boxes in various places across the page, etc.). Apple's Aperture 3 currently offers this and it is great! Their book module allows for COMPLETE PAGE CUSTOMIZATION.
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The book module should allow the user to create custom layouts and the freedom to set page sizes. Choices for borders for individual photos should also be given. These are very basic features that should be included. The absolute minimum would be to have the same options as the print module.