Merge Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign into one application

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Adobe, could you please create ONE application instead of: Photoshop, Illustrator and inDesign? Or at least Photoshop and Illustrator. Thank you!
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All 3 of those applications work very differently, have UI tailored to different customers, have large numbers of legacy documents to work with, etc.

Combining them would make a much, much bigger mess.
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If you don't see a difference between these applications, I can only guess that you haven't been using them long or for more than surface functions.

Illustrator and Photoshop may share something called "Layers" but they are not the same thing functionally, nor philosophically.

To use another analogy, it's like comparing cake, pie, and bread. Sure they have some similarities, and even share some of the same ingredients. But they have very different workflows, work with different kinds of information, and have different expected output.
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I see the difference between the applications, I was talking about UI which was mentioned above. What about your theory about cakes, pies and bread - the output is different but a good cook can make them all, it is just about the recipe and ingredients combination. You have a nice analogy, but a nice example would help better. And going back to Adobe layers, I believe you wouldn't have to suspect me of not understanding the difference between Photoshop layers and Illustrator layers if Adobe products would have some consistency in names, for an example: Page > layer > group > item.
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A good graphic artist can use Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign (you are confusing the elements of the analogy). No matter how good the cook is he/she cannot make a single item that is simultaneously a cake, pie, and bread.

As to consistency of language, you have to remember that each of these products come from different artistic disciplines that had language unique to each. We didn't create this language, we continued to use what was already there. For example, Photoshop uses photography and darkroom terms for naming things. However, that doesn't prevent some of the same words from appearing in each with different meanings.
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when I took over the analogies, a good cook was a software :) and pies, cakes and bread were the photographs, illustrations and magazines :)
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It's still not quite nailing the analogy. A good cook can make a cake, pie, and bread using ONE kitchen instead of running back and forth between three.
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The serve very different functions:

Photoshop: Pixel image editing

Illustrator: Vector graphic editing

InDesign: Page layout

They work together, but they do very different jobs. It's like asking the Butcher, the Baker, and the Candlestick Maker to be one guy.
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Who would you want fixing your plumbing? A plumber or someone who pretends to plumb? While the difference don't mean much to you, there are people out there that use Illustrator and never touch Photoshop, because Photoshop doesn't do the types of things they require. And this isn't about adding some more features to Photoshop. This is about the fundamental, bedrock differences in the types of technology we are dealing with.

Maybe, one day in the future when computer technology has moved away from digital, pixel based art, the lines will blur enough that we can finally merge the two (or maybe three) applications together. Then there could be just one place to go for all creative, artistic endeavors.

Lets try another analogy. You are asking that all artists that may use one of three media, lets say Photography, oil paints, and a typewriter, to just use one that has extra features that make it seem like it can do the work of all three. Maybe a camera that has a way of blurring the capture to make it more painterly and an option to add text to the image as well. While this might cover some workflows, there would be those who use oils and produce things that no camera ever could, and especially no typewriter.

But the way you've been describing things so far, it sounds like Photoshop already does everything you could ask for. Why do you go into Illustrator and InDesign sometimes?
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and I will remind my last conclusion, it is most likely inDesign should be combined with Illustrator rather then illustrator with photoshop
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InDesign is much more likely to merge with Illustrator than either of the two with Photoshop. They have a lot more fundamentals in common. The way they handle type, for example.
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I couldn't say it better: "because Photoshop doesn't do the types of things they require.", you came back where we've started :) You underlined the main reason, why I'm asking to merge them :) and if it would be just sometimes I wouldn't come up with such an idea probably :) And thank you for all your colourful analogies, they are very nice and I understand what you are trying to explain to me over and over: vector and bitmap stand far away from each other, but once again - technical side is beyond my vision, and I'm just a lazy user, and they say laziness is an engine of the progress, so I feel free to share my lazy (maybe crazy) ideas and questions.

"Who would you want fixing your plumbing? A plumber or someone who pretends to plumb?"

I'm asking to train a plumber\electrician\gardener ;) or at least plumber\electrician, but not a gardener who knows what is plumbing :)
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Hi, I understand they are different. But please understand that workflows often NEED the different functionalities of these. The slight inconsistencies between photoshop and illustrator breaks the creative flow completely. You actually need time to think and plan things....can just brainstorm and play with it as you wish. Doing would waste lots of time. As you are stuck in limited environment.
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I do animation, print and web stuff and have been using extensively PS and Illustrator for many years and I kinda agree with the op for those two.

While I admit that I like the idea of illustrator staying purely vector (a lot of people need this), I think proper vector tools should be given to PS. Imagine dashing the [tab] key and jumping to vector mode: stroke/fill on paths, pathfinder, gradient mesh, type outline, vector brushes... I don't even see why not. Smart objects are great but it's still just a fix and it could be replaced by other more flexible, maybe more object oriented solutions.

Juggling between a 3d program, after effects, photoshop and illustrator is meh.
Sometime I close my eyes and see a program that does all this at once and I feel it's beauty and then I wake up and regret it's not 2015 yet.
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With addition of limited vector and/or raster editing capability now in all three of these applications it is becoming a blur. I do feel that the "division of labor" between these apps is still justified, for most of the reasons already stated.

What would be helpful is the ability to streamline the 'Edit In' native program capability from inside the current application, without having to launch a 2nd application. A good example of what I am suggesting is Adobe Lightroom 4. There are now seven (7) modules integrated inside LR4: Library, Develop, Map, Book, Slideshow, Print, and Web. Why not have one “master” Creative Suite application with integrated modules for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat, etc.

This is an over-simplification of the "concept," but I think you get the idea. Within the next four years 64GB of RAM will be the same price as 16GB today, a’ la Moore’s Law.
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Yes...photoshop, illustrator, indesign has different origin and purpose, but after years of development, the border line between them get blur. And I hate to learn using different to approach doing the same thing in different applicant, example like delete a swatch, illustrator and photoshop has different approach..
I believe to merge the 3 applications into 1 is beauty and perfect. Different skills people could talking to each others using the same language, under the same UI. I think it could be done, at least in terms of technology, Adobe should capable to do it. Maybe they wish to sell 3 applications instead of 1, in financial sense..
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I think it can be integrated as one UI without affecting the finnacial aspect of these products.

Why not offer customers the option to be buy one (1) Creative Suite application, say perhaps Photoshop. Then allow adding other "modules" as you need them under the same Creative suite UI.

I don't believe current computing platform technology can support this capability, but perhaps in another 3-4 years it will be practical.
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red-fox, you should look into the now defunct project rome: http://rome.adobe.com/
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Photoshop Is great but sucks when it comes to these features. If adobe could just add these features to Photoshop which are already present in illustrator it would be very helpful to web designers/logo designers. You could do everything by opening two programs and doing but life would be easier, workflow would improve if they are in one. I Know some people think photoshop is geared toward photographers but it is a lot more than that.
Please import these features from illustrator to PS and more:
1) Expanding strokes. -The biggest thing ever.
2) Defining the parameters of gradient on a stroke(Direction/alongEdges/length).
3) Be able to change thickness of strokes.
4) All brushes types into PS: stretch, repeat, etc.
5) Ai automation: i.e. Transform filter, roughen filter.
6) pattern maker from illustrator.
7) Blend tool
8) Symbol sprayer-note- also add multiple symbol sprayer/brush option.
9) Auto annoying guides too.
10) Make merging,subtracting, and live paint easier and available in PS.
11)3d Revolve + Map Art
12)Mesh
13) Path Simplify etc.

This feature isn't found in anything but add it too Please it is so needed.
1) Ability to distance words equally-based on the distances between them not between their centers.
2) Ability to save all fonts into the file.
3) Ability to collapse previous handle of any anchor point somehow.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Please Merge Illustrator features with Photoshop....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Merge Illustrator and photoshop and make that an option.


Make a new version that combines photoshop and illustrator together for realzz.
And let users choose the conflicting features in setting as to customize it.

This is great because, while you could always open illustrator side by side, there is a difference in interface/keyboardShortcuts/ options placement. Which brings mental halt to everything in mind. That's very demotivating and bad for creativity.

Creativity Directly proportional to how easy it's to utilize it.

The great things for PS user would be...

Almost all tools needed to deal with vector graphics would be available in ps, such as (width Change tool, expand stroke, apply gradient to stroke, slice shapes with each other, have fidelity/smoothness of vector brush/pen/pencil, spray symbols, make more customized brushes( btw i think some of vector brush capabilities should be in normal ps brushes as well.)....

So in end there will be three programs 1) Ps 2) Ai 3) Ai+Ps<<<>>>>
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Are you using Photoshop CS6 or later? We've added a number of new improvements to the path/vector tools in recent versions.
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yes but they are not at the threshold. I like how i can combine shapes easily.
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I don’t even know where to start with this. I’ve been saying this for years. I have so many ideas for consolidating half of the Creative Suite. Far too many to be bothered typing out. Here’s the main one though, a different paradigm; instead of “a vector app, a pixel app, and a layout app” we have one application (since there’s SO much crossover already), comprised of layer classes (so, a vector layer, a type layer, a pixel layer etc), but retaining the ability to embed documents within other documents.

Most [pro] designers use a combination of type, image (pixels) and vectors every day, and frankly I for one am tired of having to work and think around the limitations of seperate applications and their file types (“you can embed this file into that, but not this etc”, not to mention similar-but-slightly-different keyboard shortcuts etc). It’s beginning to feel unnecessarily inefficient and frankly annoying.
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I know they should just make a newer product: One that has photoshop and illustrator tools in it. This way all will be happy. The ones who like it separate and the ones who want it together. They need to understand some people have different needs and workflows.
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Adobe hasn't even figured out what the exact purpose of each of their major apps is yet and people ask for a unified one?