Eject After Import is gone. You must now remember to eject memory cards using the operating system
Duplicate photos can’t be imported
Zoom is gone from the Import Loupe view.
Filename is now hidden under a tooltip.
Destination panel folders preview is gone, including the italic preview showing your chosen folder structure, the checkmarks to their right, and the volume information showing how much space was available on each drive.
Thumbnail filtering by Destination folder is gone.
Total file size is gone from the bottom left corner.
The filename preview (when renaming) is gone. THANKS!!!
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I understand Victoria's plea for specifics, but I think they have been well documented by this time. Sure, some of us are just venting, but the info on how this affects us is here.
When CC was announced there was a huge outcry, but there were also thoughtful comments defending the change. Has anyone posted any message in support of these changes to Import? Anywhere? This should tell Adobe something. Now we wait to see if they are listening and have the decency to at least respond to the concerns of their loyal customer base.
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In any case, I still don't like the new import module!
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Following this thread, the market has spoken rather strongly.
The ball is now in Adobe's court.
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http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cc-20...
Good Luck, Peter
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I'm sorry Victoria, and I'm not trying to be rude, but this really is backward thinking on Adobe's part, and is somewhat insulting. Lightroom was developed with the professional photographer in mind. Features and screens were designed with that in mind.
Over the years, many photographers have developed a workflow which uses this tool (Lightroom). For Adobe to decide to change screens and features, and cause a break in workflow for so many professionals is a huge problem. To then request us to justify our workflow and use of features, as if we're wrong, is just arrogance on Adobe's part.
I don't know of any professional photographer who has said that Lightroom importing was too complicated once they learned the tool. I haven't seen any comments where someone has said they're pleased that removal of a feature (even if they don't use it) was a step forward. If Adobe's goal was to simplify the interface for the consumer market, then please just make changes to the catalog and import process in Photoshop Elements or create a Lightroom Elements product.
Professional photographers are overwhelmingly telling you that the old interface is preferred, not that the new one would be better if changed. Adobe really needs to take a lesson from Microsoft and the Windows 8 Metro interface. Users resoundingly rejected the change and sales suffered.
The length of this thread and number of comments requesting reversion back to the old interface and features should be an indication to Adobe that it's time to "suck it up" and admit that a poor decision was made.
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That's the issue right there: yes, users need to learn how to use the Import dialogue; but learning how to use software properly is part of the price of entry.
Dumbing it down to appeal to a - possibly non-existent, presumed - new user base, is incredibly wrong-headed.
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How far do we extend the dumbing-down? Dialog boxes or separate screens to guide us through the tools?
"Would you like to crop your photo?" Yes, Explain Cropping, or Next
"Would you like to adjust the exposure on your photo?" Yes, Explain Exposure, or Next.
"Would you like to adjust the contrast of your photo?" Yes, Explain Contrast, or Next.
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> Photoshop and Lightroom have always been aimed at the professional/power user.
Photoshop has, yes. Lightroom's had a majority amateur user base for a number of years.
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As a "prosumer" product, I'm guessing that much of LR's appeal to the non-professional user (i.e. it's brand) is driven by its appearance of being a professional product. Removing the professional attributes from the brand could, ironically, eat into its appeal to non-professionals.
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Could someone please point out to me the thread here on the feedback forum where this 'majority' of amateurs were clamoring for a simplification of the import dialog?
I am having trouble finding such a topic in the top 60 or so threads ... or are these folks so amateurish that they are intimidated by the complexity of this forum?
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If that should become Adobes claim now that the majority of the user base are amateurs and therefore the software should rather have amateur features, then they should not charge a "professional price" for a professional software, as they do now.
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Do you think Adobe is trying to tell us they consider this a consumer/amateur product?
The reason I'm asking is that there are many professional photographers who use Lightroom as a professional level tool. If the trend is going toward introducing "consumer" type features, there are many people who need to rethink their workflow and/or tool selection.
BTW, I really hate it when we have to identify as amateur, prosumer, or professional. My wife has a photography business, in which I may take 5000 - 20000 photos at a time, rotating amongst 4 CF+SD cards. Because my salary comes from I.T., I consider myself in the blurred area between prosumer and professional. Either way, I want to use what I consider professional level tools.
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Arguments that everything can be confusing until you learn how to use it, fell on deaf ears, so I quit the beta-testing team.
It's depressing to see Adobe going down the same route.
Don't get me wrong - as it happens the changes to the Import dialogue aren't a show-stopper for me - but I can't help but agree with Butch that this doesn't augur well for future "improvements" to Lightroom.
Adobe, do what DxO refused to do: accept that you've got this wrong, and put back the dumped functionality that's "supposed" to make like easier for newbies.
it'll be better for all concerned if the (rather small) learning curve that comes with the previous Import process, is simply accepted as the price of entry, and well worth the "price".
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Yep, that's the point, Ian - this is exactly why I used the phrase "dumbing down".
Simplifying something complicated while still providing equivalent capabilities is never a bad thing, but stripping away useful tools just to make what's left easier to grasp - which is what "dumbing down" means to me - cannot be the right thing to do.
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That said, I do agree with others here that the new interface is worse.
1) Hiding the entire input section behind a Gear icon just adds one more step
2) The flow still does not flow. Why is importing a second copy not in the Destination section, for example?
3) how about some hierarchical organization so all of the important functions are visually more obvious than those that are seldom changed?
4) losing key functionality is very Apple-like - is Lightroom going the way of 'Photos'?
5) Of course Crashing most of the time I try to import files is generally considered a bad thing.
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I miss all of the features removed, and have used all of them at least once, but the biggest is 1:1 preview in the Import Loupe. I don't ingest all of my shots; only the pre-selects. I use the Loupe window to go through the card and the 1:1 to check for focus before I import the file. With the change I will have to bring everything in, build the previews, and then cull through them and discard the ones I'm not happy with. What formerly took a couple of seconds suddenly takes a couple of minutes. Times a couple of hundred. This is a deal-breaker and so incredibly stupid that it's hard to resist launching into an invective-filled tirade.
I miss the Eject after Import feature because usually I have multiple cards. Before, I could access those multiple cards without leaving the interface. Now I have to go to the Finder to manually eject the card before I go back to the interface to mount another card. At least I'll remember; but newbies who just eject their cards from their readers are in for a whole world of hurt. So you've created something in the name of simplifying that could actually damage files. Smart. Because that whole "do no harm" thing is so overrated.
The file name preview; seriously, I have to justify this? Why would you remove this? Because it was cluttering up the interface with useless info? USED THIS EVERY TIME.
The directory tree; yeah, see above. Used this every time I imported a file.
I have used Move on Import a couple of times with very large folder trees of a lot of files from the internal hard drive. Would it kill me to Copy and go back and delete the originals? No, but it adds a couple of steps.
Now, don't get me wrong. I've become accustomed to freezing my Adobe products. I'm still on CS6 with no plans to ever move to CC and see absolutely no reason why I can't freeze my perpetual LR at 6.1, which is what I'll probably do while I start taking a long, hard look at Capture One. I'm sure their marketing department is jumping for joy over this latest LR "update."
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I dont mind upgrades, in fact I look forward to them but you have taken away so much and reduced the flexibility so drastically, I really cant see any benefit to my work flow now. It is almost like sliding halfway back down the learning curve.
I cant see me using LR much more, Adobe you have moved the goal posts. It is really hacking off your customers.
Your Bad.
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Lightroom: Import screen update is terrible! You made it "easier" for novice users...but for users who do advanced things, the options are now buried or no longer available! Please bring back the option to have the "classic" view we have been used to. This update is terrible. I will be reverting to the previous update until Adobe puts back some of the features that were in the import screen before this terrible update!
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What have adobe done, LR has changed so much I cant quite get my head around it. But for sure I dont like the import anymore.
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The new import dialog from Lightroom 6.2 is not usable. Useless for serious users. How do I get the Import dialog Lightroom 6.1 back?
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In this case the evidence implies someone came into the Adobe picture from Apple (who's entire technical model is to remove options, buttons, an variability from the user experience and force all users into a simplified, do it one way only, model). That coupled with what another post in this thread called a "flat apple look" bolsters my speculation.
Anyway, this new blood (assuming I'm right) needs to be taken out to the woodshed for a "discussion". I think that this thread is going a great job in making that persons office a very uncomfortable place be right now.
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Can you please tell us if any of this is getting through to the powers that be at Adobe? Is anybody listening? Are you escalating this issue to a level where someone can make a decision to fix this disaster? Is upper management at Adobe at all dealing with this F%*$ up? Is there any hope on the horizon?
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