Lightroom: Restore features removed from Import in LR 6.2 / CC 2015.2

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LIGHTROOM...PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE. I use each and every item most every day in my work flow.To be able to see how file name looks before it is brought in to LR. Is very important.As well as To see the destination Folders , how big a file is......Move is gone. You can only Add the photos at their existing location or Copy the photos to a new location.
Eject After Import is gone. You must now remember to eject memory cards using the operating system
Duplicate photos can’t be imported
Zoom is gone from the Import Loupe view.
Filename is now hidden under a tooltip.
Destination panel folders preview is gone, including the italic preview showing your chosen folder structure, the checkmarks to their right, and the volume information showing how much space was available on each drive.
Thumbnail filtering by Destination folder is gone.
Total file size is gone from the bottom left corner.
The filename preview (when renaming) is gone. THANKS!!!
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  • very disapointed

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LIGHTROOM - Please bring back the destination panel's folders preview.

I just read the feature list for 6.2. Ah, what? While, I have to say I support the plan to make import more pleasant and less over whelming, especially for new users but I am greatly concerned that the destination panel "folders preview" is gone.

No, please say it isn't so. I use that panel to give me a "everything looks OK" just before hitting the button to begin the import. There have been a few times when my settings have been changed unintentionally and that preview saved me a ton of work by preventing images from ending up in the wrong place on my HD. Please bring it back.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom CC 2015.2 Disappoints.

Adobe has, in my opinion, significantly downgraded Lightroom with their release of Lightroom CC 2015.2. 1. It crashes frequently; 2. 'Eject after Import' is gone; 3. Zoom is gone from the 'Import Loupe' view; 4. 'Filename' is now hidden under a tooltip; 5. the 'Destination' panel folders preview is gone; 6. the filename preview (when renaming) is gone; and 7. 'Move' is gone. These problems must be fixed. Doesn't Adobe beta test and ask the opinion of power users before changing software anymore?
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This must be one of the worst UI changes I've ever seen done to a software. What the...? I don't see ANY improvement, just a lot of pitfalls for making mistakes. And with a software of this type, mistakes are very critical.

Please bring back the old dialog. At least make it optional or something, but better yet, just reverse it to the old one.
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A hundred and fifty-two thousand Adobe DNG frames and their attendant RAW originals committed to 45 terabytes of hardware and online storage and backup and now THIS?!

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!
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Agree with the others. Removing the features is part of a known and usable workflow. By making things "easier" for new users, you are making it harder for them in the long run. Improper locations, not being able to see previews for naming or folder hierarchy changes.
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There was nothing wrong with the import mechanism of LR
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Oh dear, this is depressing and a step backward. Does not seem to be aimed at experienced, existing users who have had LR for years. Instead it seems exactly as someone said "dumbing it down". But darn, I will miss these features!
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Let's see if I got this right:
The "improved" interface
1. reduces functionality
2. removes information
3. slower
Next I expect Adobe to offer a $9.95 a month service to automatically revert back to earlier versions of their software that have been shown to function better
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The new importer is just crap. Why change something that simply works?
Do you plan to get new coustomers offering this "simplified" method of importing photos?
C'mon, you can do better than this. Really!
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Please reinstate the following functionalities regarding the Lightroom Import Dialog Screen.

1. Zoom is gone from the Import Loupe view.---this is a serious problem. I must be able to import photos one by one, and I need to enlarge each photo, one by one, to see if the photo is sharp before I import it. I don't want a bunch of unsharp photos to come into my hard drive at all. I find it overwhelming to have too many photos to process. Having that zoom tool is of utmost importance. If you do nothing else, please bring this back.

2. I need to be able to see the destination folder so that I can avoid making any mistakes on my import. I have spent too much time cleaning up messed up file trees, and your view of destination folder was what saved me. This is something you need to bring back.
3. I need to be able to MOVE photos upon import...
4. Eject After Import is gone. Please reinstate this. Extreme importance.

You might consider bringing back the import interface the way it was. It worked great. There was nothing wrong with it. If you think some of your new customers can't seem to figure it out, why not create a wizard for those people, and just leave the interface as is for your loyal, pro customers? That might be a plan which could please everyone.

I would rather not have to move to a simple userface offered by one of your competitors at a cheaper price point. I am happy to pay your price, but I need features for adult users, not for novices. I look forward to working with Lightroom for years to come, as long as LR continues to offer features for intelligent users who appreciate smart workflow management tools.

Thank you for your attention to these important matters.
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This is clearly a downgrade, PLEASE upgrade as soon as possibile to the previous version!
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the changes are foolish. Adobe grabs another tiger by the tail
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Please return the Move functionality, visibility of the destination folder (this is essential for my workflow), and "Eject After Import".
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Testing? What's that? Crash on quit = forced reboot on osx. (Fix: Option-Shift on startup to reset preferences. The change preferences so Photos are not imported automatically.)
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Glad I didn't upgrade yet.thanks fot the heads up
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Glad I didn't upgrade yet.thanks for the heads up
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Terrible upgrade that removes essential import features. This is one of the worst moves I've ever seen by a supposedly professional software maker. You realize you've just destroyed many of your professional users' workflows? Please undo immediately!!! Add a simple mode for newcomers if you must, but don't mess with the standard import process.

How can you not have run this by at least one pro user before releasing????
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I was so upset when I went to import images tonight. For the life of me, I could not figure out how to replicate my old tried and true method of deselecting all the images on my card, then selecting a range by clicking and shift-clicking, then clicking the selection box in one to prepare the import. It is not often that I want everything from a memory card.

If I can figure out how to revert to 6.1, I will be doing it ASAP!
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Hi Michael, if it's any help, I finally figured out how to revert to 6.1. I'm using the standalone version on Windows.

1. Make sure you have your serial number to hand before you start, as you'll need it for step 3
2. Uninstall Lightroom. (Pay attention to the option to preserve or delete your settings. You will probably want to keep them!)
3. Download and install 6.0:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/...
4. Download and install the 6.1.1 patch:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...

So I'm back on 6.1.1. Some hours wasted, but a big sigh of relief!

Hope that helps, and good luck!
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Actually, you can still do your tried and true method - it just looks a bit different now. Uncheck the Select All checkbox at the top to deselect all of the images. Then select a range by shift-clicking. They now have a tiny white border showing they're selected. Then the checkmark is in the middle of one of the images, and it does work the same as the old one, checking all of the selected photos.
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I use "move" for almost every import. I save all my photos on a specific disk and then move them into a new folder once organized and imported into lightroom. This is how I keep all photos organized and saved. This feature is essential!
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Such a frustrating update. I can't believe that they didn't expect people to be up in arms!

PLEASE ADOBE UNDO THIS MESS!!!
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It also seems to be missing Import presets which I used heavily as I have multiple sources and have it configured so that the right source is deposited into my destination structure in the correct way.
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They're just hiding from you - they're now at the top of the Advanced panel, which is hidden under the gear icon.
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Ah thanks for that, I'd lost where it was on the interface. The new location doesn't seem to make as much sense as before to me, since the import preset applies the settings over a range of sections, but there its not clear which components it applies to and seems like it would just be another import option among all the other individual import options.
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The new import dialogue is truly horrible, I've deleted 6.2 and moved back to 6.0.

It breaks the common look and feel across every module in Lightroom.
It's harder to use.
The import settings; keywording options, adding metadata and applying presets are all much less easy to read and small on my screen. Plus seeing where the destination to import to is far less clear.
The patronising use of someone else's photograph as a compulsory background is insulting. I only want my choice of photos on my screen.

I've used Lightroom since the first beta and this is the first bad change in design.
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I am really stunned to see the new Lightroom import interface, sadly Lightroom has lost its professional look. Actually I find the interface a lot more confusing than the previous version, the huge check marks over the images really look painful. I have been using Lightroom since version 1 or 2 and have always admired the presentation and simplicity of the application. Sorry Lightroom designers, you have failed this time. Finally I have always endorsed Lightroom to many others but this is where I will end that endorsement,
Colin
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"Actually I find the interface a lot more confusing than the previous version, the huge check marks over the images really look painful"

You can lose the infantile "splash screen" approach by unticking the 'Add "Show Photos" Screen' tickbox in Edit > Preferences > General.

What's left isn't bad to look at, the functional changes notwithstanding.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

It would really help to understand which specific import features you're missing, and how it'll affect your workflow.

For example, "I miss the Destination panel preview, because it helped me understand where the photos would be stored on the hard drive. Without it, I've imported photos into the wrong location because my external drive was disconnected and I didn't notice".
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Hi Victoria,

Thanks for that!

"I rely on the Move option in the import dialog, because it lets me keep track of which files I have not yet imported."

Below is a description of my import workflow, to describe why I find the Move option essential:

* All incoming photos (from cameras, memory cards, email etc...) arrive in a temporary folder.
* I always import from that single folder into Lightroom. I may import the entire folder, or select a batch of photos at a time. On import, the files are renamed and organised into folders within the catalog, based on capture date.
* Importantly, the files are *Moved* from the temporary folder into the catalog folders. This way I know that any files remaining in the temporary folder still need to be dealt with.
* Without the Move option, I would need to manually delete the files from the temporary folder after importing. This is not only laborious but a wonderful opportunity for human error.
* Another example where Move is a lifesaver is the case of files which fail to import. For example, I recently had a batch of files which included a .wmv video clip. The fact that the .wmv file was left on its own in the temp folder after importing alerted me to the fact that the file needed special attention. Had I been copying/deleting, I would not have noticed the missing import until it was too late.
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I rely on the Destination Folder to know exactly where my imported photos are going on my external HD. The Reject upon import was a nice automatic thing. Now I have to add an additional unnecessary step to my workflow. The ability to zoom in a look at a potential import and reject it because it;out of focus or whatever before it ever goes into the catalogue gave us the capability of saving time and disc space
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Exactly!! Especially if a customized import preset is used monthly. No preview yesterday and my import went into Sept. because I had not updated my preset.
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Items that I miss/why:
- File rename preview to double check it is correct before importing

- Total file size of files to be imported (this may alter my choice of destination)

- Folder preview (Destination folder only shows the last level but not the folder path and may lead to incorrect placement of files on drives with identical folders when performing multiple imports in succession)

- Bring back full display of filenames without using tool tips (Many times I wish to select several small subsets of event photos for quick onsite processing that I have made note of. I do not want to have to be scrolling through the 1000 photos on the SD card looking for the 16 photos I want by using tool tips to find my place in thumbnails that may look very similar. Entire card gets imported later)
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Victoria, Many thanks for all your work with regards Lightroom, it was via your blog / newsletter that I learned f the impending troubles with Lr 6.2 / CC 2015.2 and made the concious decision not to upgrade.

There have been many consistent issues raised throughout the discussion here, many of which I probably cover below, but one aspect I struggle with from Adobes Product Simplification point of view is the potential catastrophic effect the new import could have on inexperienced users backup routines, should they even consider such thing important:

EXERT HERE:

BACKUP CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEW USERS
As a side note, lack of import destination folder preview also present huge implications for new users in terms of how such NEW and INEXPERIENCED users will handle their backups...... Since Lightroom only backs up the Lightroom Catalog database on exit (if set in preferences), how confused are new users going to be when they think Lr has been backing up their RAW images (or more likely terrible iphone jpgs they are converting to grainy monotone or other doggy filter effects) when in reality Lr has only backed up the catalog database? Given that the new import workflow gives even less indication as to final (raw / source image) destination within the users given storage environment, how are they supposed to configure their backup routines. - Lightroom continually wants to import to "Pictures" within the windows user account space..... I run on a PC with:

RAM: 16GB
SSD1: - OS / Applications
SSD2: - Lightroom Catolog & Preview cache
SSD3: - Camera raw / Photoshop cache / scratch and other temp dirs
Local HDD: - Current Working Raw Files
NAS (Raid 6): Archival network storage with redundant
NAS (Raid 6): Backup of above NAS

Now tell me the new simplified Import experience knows where to store my RAW images.... in C:\Users\James\Pictures ???? I THINK NOT

FULL RANT HERE:

Well, where to start really, as so many others, this really is a huge mistake on Adobes part.

Don't get me wrong, I know they need to expose the product to new users, but let's be honest, Lightroom isn't a simple image editor for the masses. Aside from Lr's extensive image editing capabilities, it supports, and forms the central backbone of many a professional and advanced amateur photographers workflow, functioning as both Digital Asset Management and Image Editor.

If their new target audience can't handle a few options allowing them to work flexibly and understand simple concepts like: move on import, the need to review images prior to import, import target folder destinations/previews, file renaming conventions, metadata tagging etc, then frankly, they have no business using such software. Why mess up the workflow of many professionals that rely on the software for their livelihood.

If adobe really want to break in to the general consumer / casual market, then one of two options would surely be more viable than Lr 6.2 / CC2015.2, both in terms of the current/established professional/experienced user base, and the requirements of a more emergent consumer driven sector:

1) An entirely new product focussed on the casual / inexperienced user - i.e Lr Lite.
or
2) A single product that supports both advanced workflows for established / professional users, as well as a simplified wizard / tutorial driven option that guides new users in to the software, and instils a willingness to learn the more advanced features and workflows as required, while allowing them to gain the most from the software and the option to utilise the full capabilities of Lightroom.

Now, on to some examples.

What's Missing:

-Option to Move files on import - use quite regularly, particularly if I'm importing only certain sessions from a multi-session shoot. In such circumstances, I configure different image sub-folders on the CF card in-camera for each session during the shoot.

-Destination folder preview - always used. Given that my workflow places significant emphasis on where images are physically stored after import, I really need to know exactly where they are being imported to: I use a single catalog, with local SSD, Local HDD and archival NAS (raid 6), with images moving diversely through these storage media. Long storey short, I need to know where my RAW (cr2) files are. Additional backup considerations apply - See Note 1 Below.

-Ability to fully review Images for Import - Loss of zoom function removes the ability to realistically review images for critical sharpness etc at import. Now I have to Import all, render previews, review, remove and waste CPU time as well as my time.

-Auto un-mount / ejection of media cards - Seriously - your new target audience can't navigate a few simple options in a UI??? What makes you think they can manage to safely remove a USB drive / media card from the host PC / Mac... operating system??? - "Can't you just pull it out???? Corrupt data/card's here we come, courtesy of adobes improved import process.

-Ability to import duplicates
What's Wrong:

-Well, everything!

-Do not want phone inspired landing screen for import that scans my whole PC for potential import sources. My workflow dictates where my image will be: (CF Card / Working Local Storage / NAS)

-UI is totally inconsistent with the rest of Lightroom

-Lacks many essential features (lost)

-Images for import are greyed out, and have large tick-mark icon in centre, while unselected (will not import) images are highlighted and un-obscured...... SO how am I supposed to review import candidates during my workflow, when the image is greyed out, and has a huge tick in its centre?

-If your new user base can't handle simple file imports into a powerful image database / DAM / Editor, how are they going to grasp concepts in the Develop Module: Crop, White Balance, Exposure, White Point, Black Point, Highlight / Shadow Recover, Saturation, Vibrancy, Hue/Saturation/Luminescence, Split Toning, Noise Reduction & Sharpening, Lens/Camera calibrations and corrections, Colour Space etc... Shall we just dump those down too? There must be a button we can create that will lock everyone in to a single workflow and creative philosophy that will result in millions of images of identical phone / Instagram inspired mediocrity.

----By-The-Way---- I took a lovely picture of my mediocre lunch today, applied an epic filter and posted to Facebook / Intagram for all my friends to see..... you may note a slightly facetious tone in my voice..........

Kind of lost the will to go on....

There's enough covered here already, and if Adobe don't want t listen, then realistically, my Lightroom/Photoshop CC subscription will be ending come renewal time.

Note 1: - BACKUP CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEW USERS

As a side note, lack of import destination folder preview also present huge implications for new users in terms of how such NEW and INEXPERIENCED users will handle their backups...... Since Lightroom only backs up the Lightroom Catalog database on exit (if set in preferences), how confused are new users going to be when they think Lr has been backing up their RAW images (or more likely terrible iphone jpgs they are converting to grainy monotone or other doggy filter effects) when in reality Lr has only backed up the catalog database? Given that the new import workflow gives even less indication as to final (raw / source image) destination within the users given storage environment, how are they supposed to configure their backup routines. - Lightroom continually wants to import to "Pictures" within the windows user account space..... I run on a PC with:

RAM: 16GB
SSD1: - OS / Applications
SSD2: - Lightroom Catolog & Preview cache
SSD3: - Camera raw / Photoshop cache / scratch and other temp dirs
Local HDD: - Current Working Raw Files
NAS (Raid 6): Archival network storage with redundant
NAS (Raid 6): Backup of above NAS

Now tell me the new simplified Import experience knows where to store my RAW images.... in C:\Users\James\Pictures ???? I THINK NOT