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I am deeply disappointed in Adobe and the advocates such as yourself, Jared Platt, Tim Grey and many, many others.

I realize you don’t work for Adobe (do you?) but this is as you suggest Laura, is all very, very confusing! It seems a bit contradictory that you say standalone is no more but there is a version 7 which will be subscription based and a LR CC that is also subscription based and a LR web. I recently, at your suggestion and against my better judgement, moved from my standalone version 6 to CC Photography with android mobile (which came with other stuff I don’t understand). So, is what I am now subscribed to considered LR Classic, LRCC or LR Cloud based? It sounds like I should have waited even longer to make the switch!

I am really, really upset because I asked repeatedly in this blog and others if LR standalone was going away and you all kept saying you didn’t know. Now you say there is going to be a LR7 which based on your description will be installed on the desktop but be subscription only so it sounds like standalone to me, but I presume will not have cloud based features but will get free upgrades as long as the subscription remains active which is much like MS Office’s subscription. Which I advocated for in a response to your blog about why I should move to LRCC! So it sounds to me like LR7 is standalone but not purchased as standalone.

At the risk of redundancy this is very, very, very confusing and it seems all you paid influencers (no offense) are trying to put a positive Adobe spin on the situation. I see almost nothing postive! I can’t say enough about how I feel betrayed by all you Lightroom educators who I know have been paid as influencers to push the Adobe agenda.

I agree with Rick, since I shoot Sony anyway, I will be moving my entire catalog over to Capture One. Sony shooters get the Sony only version for free and for 1/2 a C note ($50) can upgrade to C1 pro for Sony. I am glad I’ve been using it on a limited basis so making the switch won’t be too traumatic.

WOW so disappointing!
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If you have not already done so, please have a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSNcM7C0UE
It will help clarify some of the confusion that I think is at the root of your dissatisfaction.
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I like Julie Kost, I really do. But this didn't help at all especially when I see stuff like this on the Adobe website:
LRCC Plan includes all new Lightroom CC, 1 TB of cloud storage;

Photography Plan includes all-new Lightroom CC, 20 GB of cloud storage, Lightroom Classic CC, and Photoshop CC;

Photography plan with 1 TB of cloud storage includes all-new Lightroom CC, 1 TB of cloud storage, Lightroom Classic CC, and Photoshop CC.

Huh? Really?
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Seems to me you are mainly disappointed because you simply don't understand, not because you have been given the wrong advice. If you have the photography plan right now, then that means you have Lightroom Classic, which is the next version of Lr Cc2015 that you were using so far. So no problem here. You also have Lightroom CC now if you want it. You don't have to use it, but you can. And you still have your mobile apps for your phone and tablet.

By the way: most of the people you accuse here are enthusiasts who do not work for Adobe, and do not get paid one single dime for all the time they take to try to explain things to people like you. It's not their fault that you don't seem to understand the difference between a 'stand alone' (perpetual license) version and a version that gets installed locally but is paid for by a monthly subscription.
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Of course you would blame me for being confused by this set of very confusing configurations. I am not the only one confused and upset in the LR community of users. And how do you know all the people I mentioned are not receiving any compensation from Adobe? Do you work for Adobe accounting? Why don't you follow your own advice and talk about what you know? Further more I held off changing to LRCC Photography subcription for at least a couple of years until I heard from several LR aficionados educators that I trusted that making the change would be a smart move.

Why do you feel compelled to defend these people? Are attacking me as thier surrogate?
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Because they deserve to be defended against these unfounded accusations. They are not working for Adobe and they are not responsible for the confusion that Adobe did indeed create with these silly names. They spend their time volunteering to help you, and all you do in return is give them this.
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Im not atacking you, just stating that you seem to blame everyone else for a mistake you might have made. We aren’t all confused, and those that are can ask for help.

As for attacking others on a public forum, lets see your proof? You ask how do we know those that you mention aren’t taking a bribe. Well please tell us how you DO know this. I dont know these people but it seems you think you do so lets see that proof.
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In my opinion your response is an attacking tone. Since you are stating the people I mentioned do not get compensation you prove you know you don't.
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I agree with Johan, and the fact that Adobe wouldn’t tell you a closely guarded secret before launch day is to be expected. Could even be that the decision to go this route actually wasn’t known at the point when you asked. The fact that you still signed up for the photography plan without understanding it all is again, not Adobes fault.

Good luck with C1. Having tried it a few times over the years I always went back to LR, and understand I have to pay a small amount each month for an ever involving set of programs. It is what it is, and no one forces us to use these programs.
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Read my response to Johan as it applies to you as well and no point in repeating it. I stand by my remarks.

P. S. Thank you the well wishes using C1. I find C1 a very useable alternative. Besides it is a superior raw processor especially for us Sony users.
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GEGJr, it sounds like what you've got is perfect for you. You chose the CC Photography with android mobile. You've still got exactly that. The "next" version you might want to update to - free of charge as part of your subscription - is Lightroom Classic, also known as Lightroom 7. It's just a newer version of the Lightroom CC 2015 you currently have installed. The Android app has a new logo, but still syncs down to your computer as it did before.

The naming is all very very confusing, but just to be clear, Laura, I, and others you may include as influencers are not paid by Adobe, and nor do we try to push the Adobe agenda. We do try to explain some of their decisions though, because their marketing guys are great at causing confusion!
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Victoria, thanks for a civil non-judgemental response. I disagree that the people I mentioned don't push the Adobe agenda. But I certainly agree that what I have is best for me, especially since I don't know if any of the new configurations will offer ability to keep catalogs on a NAS drive.

However my complaint is not so much about what I have but rather about Adobe not sharing their vision for the near future and for those profressional advocates not pushing Adobe to be transparent about their intentions. After all, those professionals, regardless of whether they get compensation directly from Adobe, are making lots of money or at least some money from those of us that rely on their professional judgement and on their integrity by subscribing to or buying their workflow tutorials and newsletters.

I am over 65 and agree whole heartedly that I am old enough to know better and should have heeded the "buyer beware " approach. So yes, in the final analysis it's my fault. But in my defense, by holding off as long as I did and reading all I could from those professionals I considered to be in the know, I thought I was practicing safe buyer practices. I am just disappointed in the ride Adobe has taken us on.

I advocated in several blogs including Adobe's community forum and feedback that perhaps the Microsoft model of Office subscription coupled with a standalone purchase option would be a viable and acceptable sales strategy.

Regards,
GeGi AKA GEGJr
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Unfortunately, we don’t have any control over Adobe’s decisions, and no amount of pushing makes the blindest bit of difference. Decisions like this are made in the boardroom. Adobe is a publicly traded company, so they’re limited in what they can share before official announcement, and even if we know what’s coming, we’re under NDA (non-disclosure agreements) too.

From what I can see, those you consulted gave the best advice they could (and I still think they gave you the right recommendations, because you ended up with the right subscription), and you made the best decision you could with the information available.

I know it’s confusing, and therefore upsetting, but take a deep breath. Amidst all of this confusion, nothing’s actually changed for you. You’ve got the right subscription for you, and if you decide the new cloud-native app is better suited to you, it’s an easy crossgrade without incurring extra costs, so it’s all ok.
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Thanks Victoria my wife is Victoria too although I call her Vicki unless I'm making a point LOL. I appreciate your talking me off the metaphorical ledge. I'll stay where I am for now until I get a better grasp of the situation. Do you have a LR blog or newsletter?

To be sure does what I have now automatically convert to LR Classic (LRC) unless I opt for LR7?
Do I understand I can use LR online free as long as I stay with LRC? Doesn't LRC install on my device just like LR7? If so then what is the difference between the two? Both LRC and LR7 are subscripions right so what is the difference if they both install on the local hard drive? Why hasn't Adobe sent an email explaining it all? When will I start seeing an announcement when open LR about the options or will I? Do you know?
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I do, it’s www.lightroomqueen.com and you’ll find plenty of blurb on there about all these changes.

LR7 is the exactly the same as LR Classic. The whole (slightly silly) name is Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic CC and the version number of the latest release is 7.0. That’s why you’re hearing it referred to both ways.

For the minute, stick with exactly what you’ve got, just until they’ve figured out if there are any major bugs. In a few weeks time, you might want to press the update button next to Lighroom Classic in the CC app. It’ll ask for permission to upgrade your Lightroom CC catalog to the latest format, which is fine to do.
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I will chime in here since I am the Laura spoken about. Thank you to everyone who tried to set the record straight. I have never received a single dime from Adobe other than as direct compensation for individual video tutorials that they hired me to produce.

Also for the record, I have never pushed people towards a CC subscription. I posted an article, "Which Should I Buy - Lightroom CC or Lightroom 6?" which educated readers on the differences so that they could make an informed decision for themselves.

I'm sorry that you are upset at me for not telling you earlier that the standalone product would be going away. Usually I answer these questions by saying that anyone who knows answers to questions like that wouldn't be free to say.  I assume that at the time I didn't know, but in any case I couldn't violate a non-disclosure agreement with Adobe at the risk of losing my business.

My goal on my blog is to provide as much information to people as I can so that they can make decisions for themselves with confidence. I do also express personal opinions from time to time, but that's all they are and I try to be clear when I am venturing into opinion territory. 

As I said in reply to this same post you made on my blog, while Adobe has not made this easy for any of us by choosing the names they did, I did the best I could do to explain the options - but I know that I'm far from perfect with this! I would very much appreciate it if you can point me to what in the content provided  that is confusing to you or misled you, as I want to make sure that I don't confuse or mislead anyone else. 
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Laura, I can appreciate how difficult it must be for you to explain everything so everyone can understand. It's not that I don't understand the words it's that the plans are so similar. If you've been using LR since version 3 and been using computers as long as I have, since folders were called directories and when there was no GUI (MAC or WIN), no WWW (we had Special Interest Groups (SIGS) and did Archie and Veronica searches on command based systems via connected mainframes), not to mention no cloud drives or even networks for that matter (we used mainframe connected dumb terminals we called computers). Then you might be confused, too. I have found it very difficult to wrap my head around the cloud organizational structure or lack thereof and the whole album, name or title or, date uploaded organizational structure. Anyway I digress.

I even find it difficult trying to iterate what I found confusing but I'll try. What is confusing is the different ownership models or lack thereof. You said there is a LR Classic 7, LRC(reative)C(loud), and LR Classic CC. I just switched from LR6 to LR creative cloud photography plan also known as LRCC 2015 I think (which includes lrcc and pscc plus a pleathora of other optional or included programs I don't need understand or want). It was my understanding that even though I was subscribing to a software that the said software was still being installed on my PC hard drive (just like with the Microsoft Office subscription). So my confusion is what iteration do I now have and if I do nothing what will have and is there even an option to do nothing or do I have to update or upgrade to something?
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Thank you for this feedback. I haven't read through the additional comments so perhaps someone else has already clarified, but I am using "Lightroom Classic CC", "Classic", and "Classic 7" interchangeably - they are the same subscription-only new version of the Lightroom program we have been using for the past 10 years. This application is still installed on your computer along with your files.  "Lightroom CC (2015)" is the old version of this.  Here's a blog post that attempts to clarify all the names: https://laurashoe.com/2017/10/26/whats-in-a-name-clearing-up-the-confusion-over-lightroom-applicatio...
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Julianne, I'd also like to add that in your video you explicitly said Adobe was committed to both the desktop (Classic) and the CC (cloud) versions. However, another announcement regarding LR Classic said there will be no further camera updates for LR Classic beyond the Nikon D850.  So really, what is the future of LR Classic if it will not support any new camera models? Looks like a sunset to me. Please help clear up the confusion.
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Classic will continue to get camera updates, new features, performance improvements, etc. for the foreseeable future. 

It's only the perpetual Lightroom 6 version that ends support at the end of the year (but will continue working)
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I appreciate you clarifying the difference! I'm seriously not trying to be snarky but isn't "perpetual" and "end support at the end of the year" an oxymoron? If it's ending, then we were duped into buying a "perpetual" product that's now being sunseted, i.e it's not perpetual. You can see where the confusion comes from. Adobe is not building customer satisfaction or loyalty. The are building serious mistrust.
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Two separate things. It's a perpetual licence to use it, and it will work indefinitely. End of support means not getting any new camera support or bug fixes for it after the end of the year.
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Don't know why they keep using word "perpetual" it means never ending. So I guess what they mean is as long as keep the OS you had when stops updating you can continue to use it. If you update OS there is no guarantee it will continue to work.
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They use the word perpetual because you have license to use it "forever". If you update your operating system and can no longer use it, that's your call, but they're not going to stop you using it.
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It seems like a good comparison might be to Windows Operating systems. There's been lots of versions over the years. Most of them still work, they're just not being supported any longer.

Please note that I'm not defending Adobe.........just want to point out that this is a somewhat common practice.