Lightroom 4: Need White Border in Lights Out View

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In Lightroom 3, the "lights out" view presented your image on a black screen, with a thin white border around the image. This seems to be gone in Lightroom 4, which is a disaster when your image includes black at the edges. You can't tell where your image ends and the black screen begins! Without the white border, you can't crop in lights out mode, particularly when your image is B&W and includes lots of black.

Please restore the white border, at least as an option! Until this is done, I'm stuck with Lightroom 3.

Thank you.
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Jonathan Axelrad

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Evan Katz

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Absolutely. Many photographs -- not only black and white -- have dark borders and backgrounds. Removing the border has made "lights out" much less useful in several cases. Please restore as option. This is an "improvement" that isn't.
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Ariko

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Dear Adobe Team,
I still don't understand why you've removed this feature?? What is the improvement??
I crop the most of my pictures, which can be done fast and great with Lightroom!!
One of the main reason why I bought Lightroom (not the other great features like recovering highlights, denoising etc.), but unfortunately the white border is gone now, which cripples the crop tool now for me (cry, I'm sooo sad! Absolutely important for my work!).

Please bring it back, at least as an option!!!!!!!
Thank you!
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Benjamin Warde, Employee

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I can see how this would be a problem. I've entered the issue into our bug database.

Thanks,
Ben
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Rob Cole

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I like it better the way it is - please: either make it an option, or have an instant "presentation" display mode feature too which excludes the white border.
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Dalton

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Please make this an option! I personally do not like the border and would like it removed.
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Son Nguyen

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Yes please, the border is extremely annoying. Please give us option.
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Joseph Whiteway

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PLEASE!! Make this a toggleable feature. It is making me so annoyed I upgraded to LR5 from LR4, I live in lights out mode and it's all I see when I am editing.
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Jonathan Axelrad

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Yeah!
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Ariko

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@ Rob, isn't just like or dislike. It's really a big problem to evaluate B&W or low key images in lights off mode. Therefore it would be fair to make an option (simply a check box white bordes) under Preferences/Interface/Lights Out. Thanks!!
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Rob Cole

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Understood, and agree...
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Rob Cole

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OK, so this seems to be "fixed" in Lr5b. Is there a way for those of us who *don't* want the border to have it "unfixed" now? I looked for an option, but did not find - please tell me it's there and I just missed it...

PS - I'd settle for lights out to work in conjunction with full-screen mode. As it stands, there's no longer a way to have an instant lights-out presentation of my photo without a white border.
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Benjamin Warde, Employee

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Hi Rob,

If you want to view your photo without a white border, use the Full Screen Preview (press F).

-Ben
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Rob Cole

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If I press 'F' it goes into full-screen mode ok, but then if I press 'L' - nothing happens. (if not in full-screen mode, my second monitor goes dim/dark when pressing 'L', like it's supposed to). eh? R.
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Benjamin Warde, Employee

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Got it. I wasn't thinking about a second monitor, and was wondering what effect exactly you expected Lights Out to have while in full screen mode. :-) Thanks for the info.
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Benjamin Warde, Employee

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Hi Rob. I've discussed with the engineer. The second monitor situation is a use case we hadn't considered previously, and we agree with you that it needs to be addressed. So, it's on our list, but I just wanted to brace you that it's probably not going to happen in time for Lightroom 5. In the meantime, I have devised an ingenious workaround for you: hit the power button on your second monitor. Hmm. Points for humor?
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Chris Cox

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Negative points, maybe.
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Rob Cole

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Thanks Ben. I'm sure how funny that seems depends on which side of the humor you're on... ;-}. But you may have just planted the seeds of an idea - maybe there is another way to blacken a 2nd (Dell 2407/8) monitor that could be wired in somehow - hmm.....
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Alexander Buntin

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In Lightroom 4, to see a white border around an image in any 'lights' mode, from inside the 'Library' module, go to:

View -> Survery (shortcut = N).

To enter back into normal (Loupe) view, with no white border, select:

View -> Loupe (shortcut = E)

In the "Survey" view mode, a white border will show around the image regardless of 'lights out,' 'lights dim,' or 'lights on' status. From this point you can access the develop module and edit your image with a white border showing.
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Elisabeth White

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I understand that this "fix" might have been the best that could be done as an after thought or work around as a response to people complaining but the option of whether or not to have the white border around a photo in lights out mode really needs to be in the preferences.