Need another time option in Bridge thumbnail view

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Bridge (CS6) has two preferences setting for Thumbnail time: Date Created or Date Modified. Date Created appears to display the correct time the imaged was taken but converts it to UTC which I find very inconvenient. Date Modified appears to take the information from the file shows the last date the file was modified by an application, however it appears to be initially set to the time the image was taken. For my .NEF files Date Modified works out ok since the .NEFs are never touched and the time is displayed as the time the file was taken. But if I use Photoshop to enhance one of my .NEF file and save the results in some other format, then Bridge shows the date / time when the file was saved. At this point I'm not sure if a correction is being made to adjust the time to the time zone in which the computer is located which could be different from the time zone in which the image was taken. I would like to see another option available to display time in the Bridge thumbnail view -- the local time recorded when the image was taken. There appear to be several different locations in the image metadata where the image capture date / time are recorded.
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Bill Junk

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  • frustrated by having image capture time not displayed in the local time zone.

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David Franzen, Employee

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Hi Bill,

I'm not seeing the "Date Created" time for my NEFs being changed to UTC when I use Bridge CS6. Instead it matches the value also shown in the Camera Data (Exif) metadata panel for the Date Time Original property, and that is what Bridge is supposed to do.

Exif provides no standard way to to record the time zone for the Date Time Original, and we try not to infer one or shift the Exif times around based on your computer clock's local timezone. If you are taking pictures around sunset (say 8pm) or sunrise (say, 6 am) and your camera's clock is set to the correct local time, then even when reviewing your photos in Bridge later half way around the world the "Date Created" should be about 8pm for your sunset shots and 6am for the sunrise shots.

Is it possible you actually have your camera's clock set to UTC? Or is there a chance your NEF files lost thier Exif metadata for some reason? Were they perhaps modified by some other software? Are you able to open the NEFs in the Camera Raw dialog inside Bridge? I'd like to help get to the botom of the problem.

Thanks,
David
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Bill Junk

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David,

I appreciate your response. The problem I’m having initially appeared at least a year ago. My normal workflow is as follows. I take my photos with a Nikon D700 in raw format. My camera’s time is set to the local time zone where I’m shooting and I do set Daylight Savings Time when it’s appropriate. I then take the memory card, put it in a card reader and use Photoshop Elements Organizer to import them. At that point I will generally add tags and title (in PSE/O). I may have PSE/O write "Keyword Tags and Properties" to the file . After that I usually bring up individual images in Adobe Camera Raw for a first pass at adjusting the image. For a few images I will bring them into Photoshop and do further adjustment.

When I first noticed the problem I tried to figure out what was going on and eventually contacted Adobe Tech Support. Not getting an answer I spent several days diagnosing the problem and I eventually figured out how to reproduce the problem. I let tech support know how to reproduce it, but they had no interest in doing anything on their own. All they wanted to do was have extended access to my system and I just didn’t have the time to spend on the phone with them. In summary, I really received no help and finally told them to quit wasting my time. Here is a summary of the information that I was able to document on the issue.

Originally reported as Case # 0181893863

I've been chasing a problem for about a week. Tech support was not much help. I have many instances of image files in my collection that have time discrepancies. For example, two images that were taken seconds apart, when viewed in Bridge show the time of the first shot in local time and the other shot in the equivalent UTC time. PSE shows the time of these two images to be the same, but it's often an adjusted local time. PSE seems to work this way: take the camera recorded time of the shot, convert it to the equivalent UTC time, then convert that time to the time zone where PSE is running. If the image was taken at 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time (time set in the camera), this corresponds to 9:30 PM UTC. If I happen to be running PSE on a computer in the Mountain Time zone, PSE Organizer will show the time as 2:30 PM. For the first file viewed in Bridge it shows the local time recorded by the camera, 1:30 PM in this case. For the second file of the pair Bridge shows the equivalent UTC value or 9:30 PM.

I've been able to reproduce this problem as follows:

1. Take a series of shots then import them from the camera memory card (in a card reader) using PSE 8. At this point all is well. Since my test case is using shots that were made in the same time zone as the computer running PSE, both Bridge and PSE show the same time for the image. Examination of the exif data using Bridge's File Info feature shows this:

2010-11-19T09:41:58.50-07:00
2010-11-19T09:41:58.50-07:00

Note that time is shown as the local time zone set in the camera with its offset to UTC. I’m in the Mountain Time zone, seven hours earlier than UTC.

2. Now from the PSE 8 Organizer, right click the thumbnail and then select "Edit With Photoshop Elements."

3. The file is in Nikon NEF format which causes Adobe Camera Raw 6.2 to run. At this point I changed a slider value and clicked "Done." The file with its updates is saved.

4. At this point all looks good in PSE 8, but in Bridge the time displayed for the file has moved forward 7 hours. Examination of the exif data using Bridge's File Info feature shows this:

2010-11-19T16:41:58Z
2010-11-19T16:41:58Z

Notice that the time has been converted to an absolute UTC value (that's what the trailing "Z" indicates) and the fractional seconds deleted. Of course, Bridge no longer has the UTC offset value to use and does the only thing it can by displaying the UTC time of the shot. PSE 8, because it seems to always convert the time to UTC and then back to the time zone in which PSE is running is unaware of the information lost.

5. I’ve done a similar experiment using ACR 6.2 invoked from Bridge and it seems to handle the time correctly.

I should probably go back to the steps that I originally used to recreate the problem and see if I get the same results with Photoshop / Bridge CS 6, Camera Raw 7.2 (I think that’s what I now have), and PSE/O 10.0. I no longer use PSE Editor at all. Since we acquired the CS 6 and 10.0 versions I’ve been going back through my collection and trying to get all the dates and times properly synchronized or set to values that are reasonable. It's taking a lot of time and sometimes it's virtually impossible to determine what the correct time should be.

Any other suggestions are certainly welcome.

Bill Junk
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David Franzen, Employee

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Hi Bill,

It's taken me longer than I expected to get back to you because I got swamped with some other work.

You said.
"..two images that were taken seconds apart, when viewed in Bridge show the time of the first shot in local time and the other shot in the equivalent UTC time."

Can you send me the NEF and XMP sidecar files for two such images (4 files total, 2 NEF and 2 XMP).

If you cannot post these somewhere where I can download them, you can send me an E-mail (dfranzen@adobe.com) and I'll help you find a way to send the files.

I'd also be interested to know if you are still usng th PSE 1.0 organizer, and if you can still reproduce the problem with files imported through it (as opposed to your old files from PSE 8).

Thanks,
David
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Bill Junk

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David,

I've uninstalled PSE 8 from my system and most of the time I am using PSE Organizer 10 to do my file import and tagging. Adobe Camera Raw 7.1 and Photoshop CS6 are my editing tools. I've also been busy doing some other projects and have not yet made a serious effort to reproduce the problem with new files, only using PSE 10 and PS CS6 products. At the moment I'm fairly sure the problem only exists with files that were handled in the PSE 8 and Photoshop CS5 era, but I have only been upgraded for about a month, so it may be premature to conclude that all is now as it should be. It's possible that the time corruption was caused by an older version of Adobe Camera Raw that I invoked from PSE Organizer by requesting the PSE 8 Editor, even though I did not edit the file with the PSE 8 Editor.

What concerns me is that the Thumbnail preferences in Bridge CS6 only provide for "Date Modified" and "Date Created" and that for my problematic older files they don't behave as I would expect. I'm fairly sure that initially "Date Modified" and "Date Created" both were set to the date and time the images were taken / captured. So far I’ve used PSE 10 to import a few hundred files and have not noticed a discrepancy, so PSE 10 is able to find a date and time that corresponds to the actual time for the image.

I took a set of pictures last evening with my new D800. This time I imported the files with Bridge and what I notice is that when the Bridge thumbnail preference is set to "Date Created" the NEF file is tagged with the correct time and a JPG file that I created later with Adobe Camera Raw and Photoshop CS6 shows the same time as the NEF. When I set Bridge to "Date Modified" the NEF file stills shows the time the image was taken but the JPG file is tagged with a later time, the time I created it. That's the way I would expect it to be.

What I need to try is invoking Adobe Camera Raw from PSE Organizer and then see if there’s modification of the time field. PSE used ACR 6.7. The other think I need to do is try some different time zone in my camera.

I don't have a place where I can post the problematic files. The "older" files that are showing the problem were taken with a Nikon D700 (12 mpix) and thus are fairly large files. My D800 files are monsters.

Bill