Mr Frederick Archer

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Why is the refine edge tool not working ? This has been a problem for months and it is MOST  IRRITATING. A member of the Adobe staff took control of my computer last year regards this same problem which he was unable to resolved to my satisfaction.
There must be a way to fix this problem 
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Fred Archer

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Dave Grainger

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It would be helpful were you to provide more details!
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Fred Archer

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Hi Dave ,
Thanks for your reply, I have been unable to get the Refine Edge to work at all , which make cutting hair out difficult . Have enclosed a picture
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Dave Grainger

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I have never been very adept at masking hair detail. It always seems to require a lot of attempts, redos, and ultimately, wine. There are others here with far more expertise at this subject than I that will most likely chime in.  By the way, nice details!
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Warren Heaton

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If the original background is white, I'd try the following: create a duplicate layer; desaturate the duplicate layer; adjust the Levels so what you want to see is black and what you don't want to see is white; then invert the duplicate layer so that what you want to see is white and what you don't want to see is black (this is about to become an alpha channel where white reveals and black conceals); copy and paste the result to an Alpha Channel; load the Alpha as a Selection; apply the selection as a Layer Mask; paint the Layer Mask as needed for finishing.
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Fred Archer

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sounds complicated, but will give it a try
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Warren Heaton

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I just used refine edge on some hair the last week and it worked as expected.  On that workstation, I'm running macOS 10.13.6 and Photoshop 21.1.2.

Can you share a screenshot?

Also, what are your brush options set to?



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Fred Archer

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Size Vary, Hardness 0, Spacing 100%, Angle 0, Roundness 100%, Do not know if there is anything wrong with the settings
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Dave Grainger

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Looks like your settings are  unlike what Warren Heaton sent you!

PS: Blond hair being especially difficult to extract, during the shoot, could you use a black studio paper background, set up so that you are not getting shadows or reflections from that?

It appears that you had a light colored background originally...
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Warren Heaton

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If I'm involved in the production process, I usually ask for a blue-screen first (using the phrase "blue is for blonds to remember whether I want blue or green) and gray second.  I sent blue-screen stills to After Effects and use Keylight (included) to pull the key (a.k.a. extract the foreground).  Of course, it's important that the blue-screen or green-screen be well shot (even lighting on the screen at least one stop lower than the subject. subject far enough from the screen as to avoid bounce from the screen).  Sometimes Keylight doesn't pull the key as well as expected, so I'll also use Primatte Chromakey for Photoshop (there's a demo version available here: https://digitalanarchy.com/primatte/main.html with sample images you can practice with).

Of course, Fred's images are already shot and keying software doesn't key out white.




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Fred Archer

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Will try the settings Warren sent , did not understand he wanted me to try those settings.
I am using a desktop computer and Photoshop latest upgrades
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Warren Heaton

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Brush settings affect how a tool responds.  Those are the default settings.
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Dave Grainger

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I learn something every time I get on this forum and sometimes I contribute meaningfully, but mostly I learn a lot from others... Very useful!
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Dave Grainger

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most of what I do is photo editing, and Most of the time it is birds, birds doing things, etc.  Have not found one in nature on a perch quite like your subject!

birdsbydave.com
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if you really want help, you need to provide a LOT more info or do a screen recording of your process so that we can see what you're doing wrong. The refine brush works as expected for myself and most users...