Lightroom Mobile: More Export Formats Besides Jpg of edited photos!

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First off I love Lightroom in all iterations: cc classic and mobile. Now that I do a vast majority of my photography on mobile, The limitation of exporting only unedited originals as DNG is a downer. I edit a large portion of my photos in LR mobile and I’m stuck with a not so awesome JPEG as my only export format. DNG or PNG would be fantastic as it preserves the original oomph of the raw capture and allows for higher quality edits in other apps/programs. (I know HEIC is in the works). Greatly appreciated!
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Thanks, Evan. Great idea!
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+1 I raised this in another thread.

In the mobile app we only have one option 2048px , with no control of the compression level or colour space .
While an sRGB compressed jpg at 2048px is fine for web use and general previews .

I find an iPad Pro is great for editing/ grading images , it’s a shame it only has one option.

Plus on desktop Lightroom cc is very limited by its output options too
-in fact there is NO WAY to output a highest quality jpg or tiff Adobe RGB file , all outputs (even full size) have compression and are only sRGB .
That’s amatuer at best.

So if I make a grat image and a lovely grade , how do I pass the best quality version to my client or print for myself.?
(The original + xmp is ridiculous - designers just want an adobe RGB tiff to embed in their design layout.)

Do adobe think this is a web only tool? And have they gone completely immersed in ‘the cloud’ thinking people don’t need full quality images any more?
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Hi Evan, not sure if this helps, but you mentioned PNG as a option you would like on export. You could try the following, once you have edited your image, choose to edit in photoshop fix for example. Once it opens in fix, don’t edited, just save it back into Lightroom mobile and it will create a new PNG from your original RAW image back in LR Mobile. Then the way you export it is to go into the creative cloud app on same device, look for your album that the png is in and you’ll see it there, which can now be copied to wherever in files. Hope that helps. What I do is at the end of my edit, the selected images I’ve marked a certain way, I filter them, edit them in photoshop fix, but don’t do anything to them and then grab them from creative cloud. Unfortunately creative cloud doesn’t do multiple image exports I believe, so one at a time.
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John - I will definitely use that’s in a pinch but, you do see how insane that work around is, right? Even down to the fact that the creative cloud app won’t do multiple exports at once. This all just seems bass-ackwards for a company that has its own AI to autotune our images... thank you nonetheless! My hat is off to your puzzle solving abilities!
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Your absolutely right, for me just allowing more then a 15 image export out of Lightroom mobile at one time would be enough. It’s crazy, the only thing I can think of is that iOS is restricting Adobe due to design flaws in apples setup, but who knows. I’d hate to find out they do this purely to stop people only using mobile and not purchasing creative cloud for desktop. I’d pay more just to get mobile working properly. I’ve got a work around for most things, just waiting on adobe to add multiple image export.
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There’s a huge thread about this as well in the Lightroom CC category. Perhaps it should be merged?
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Link to thread: “Lightroom CC: Additional options needed when exporting” https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Export options Lightroom mobile.

Would be really nice to have at least a few other options for exporting on my mobile. Save to device at highest quality or 2048px is not sufficient. We use this app for Instagram but without any export options that work with their compression algorithm you're forcing us to switch to desktop and it slows down workflow.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom mobile : more export/share options needed.

As has already been posted numerous times, more export options and a bare minimum of one high quality option (TIFF 8 and 16 bit) would be a requirement to anyone wanting a complete photography workflow on mobile.
Otherwise to put it simply it’s not possible to use Lightroom mobile in such a workflow, and that’s a shame because it’s one of the better applications out there.
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Just use the workflow app and set your export pixel width or length using a share extension. The lightroom high quality export has the same dpi value as low 2048px one, so choose the high quality option and set the pixel amount on export in workflow.
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I dont think you get the problem, sorry to say ^^
The problem is that jpeg is a lossy image compression format, you lose in color quality (8 bit) and in sharpness, even at the best settings.
When you edit further (after Lightroom for example), you need a very good quality base image otherwise some editing processes will considerably deteriorate IQ due to the original image being a JPEG (although it might look good initially, but for example increasing the contrast in dark zones of a JPEG will almost certainly end in terrible banding or other compression artifacts being clearly visible).
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I actually gave a full explanation on the original forum linked to this one https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos..., which I forgot to link to, where I say my solution is NOT for changing bit depth or file type, only pixel count. If you are needing higher quality, on one or a few of your images, you could just sync those ones in the cloud, which will open in classic as RAWs with your full edit, ready to do what you like with it on export in whatever format and bit rate. I don’t know many who would take an already edited jpg further into the editing process, so I’m not sure what you mean by that, that would be obvious. Try select an image in lightroom mobile and choose “edit in”. This will take you into a programme like photoshop fix or whatever you choose. Don’t do anything to the image in fix, just save it back into Lightroom and you may get a tiff or png file with high bit rate. I can’t say for sure, check it out and test it. If this is the case, just do that to an image where you feel you need a higher quality image then the standard export jpg. Once saved back into cc mobile, export original, which will contain your edit and in the high quality.

I absolutely get what the problem is, I just forgot to link my full response. I actually should’ve just kept my response on the other forum, not this one.
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The point is that we don’t want to use Lighroom Clasic :)
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Yes Victor I understand the issue, it’s not lost on me, I edit around 55 thousand photos a year, I’m just giving people options to help them. One option was classic, the other was using “edit in” in FIX, why not rather comment on that one, it’s not as if I only mentioned classic. I suspect the need for uncompressed edited images retaining bit depth is for a particular use, I don’t suspect every imported edited image in mobile would need that umcompression on export which is why I’ve given a solution to export the image you do need uncompressed. If not helpful, then cool.
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Your hacks are excellent and useful, thanks for sharing them!

Besides that, what I'm concerned with is giving Adobe more reasons to push this down the priority list because half-alternatives might exist.
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Yes sure I understand your point. Maybe we need to create a hacks forum, if not setup already. Adobe if you are listening, my hacks are exactly that, just hacks, not solutions, get your A into G.
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Nice hacks John, but for me the problem is still there and painful. My main editing application is affinity and it will stay as is, what I wanted to do is add Lightroom mobile to the workflow before affinity, as it’s got a ton of qualities to prepare and cleanup raw images : I do think both can be associated successfully.
However this is impossible because Lightroom mobile does not permit export of high quality images.
And I’m definitely not the only one in that situation, anytime you want to place Lightroom mobile before something else you will at some stage have a problem with the incoming image being a jpeg (this also applies to photoshop fix).
And as Victor says, I want to stay in the mobile space. That’s the point of Lightroom « mobile » is it not ?
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Thanks for the comment, agreed, serious flaws in app features. Where you wrote “at some stage have a problem with incoming image being a jpeg” , can you alaborate in what situation are you referring to, so I can get an idea of your workflow. Apparently Affinty doesn’t have batch export? If not, that would be a big problem for me. I also think one of the biggest issues is getting your catalog and images off your iPad keeping your xmp data with your RAWs, so when archived away, at any stage you could opening it all up again on whatever device you like and have edits intact. The only option currently is back onto desktop through the cloud.
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Simple example : let’s say I open a photograph with Lightroom, apply noise reduction, lens corrections, geometry corrections, and a few other tweaks like global exposure.
If I then share the image from Lightroom and open it with affinity, it is saved as a jpeg image by Lightroom and opened as is by affinity. Which means : compression artifacts have been added (8-bit color which can cause banding on skies for example, plus a general loss of sharpness, even with a jpeg 100% quality).
In affinity, when working on the image, let’s say I end up modifying the contrast of some parts of the sky : and oh no ! The banding artifacts all of a sudden become clearly visible (by reducing colors to 8 bits, jpeg loses a lot of color gradient information, on a finished image it is not really a problem since your eye cannot really see the difference, but on an image you want to edit further it definitely is because your editing could worsen the effect).
And that’s only one example out of many in which compression artifacts can cause problems with further editing.
So it’s obvious it’s not possible to make pro quality editing work with a jpeg as a start image, but it would be if only TIFF 16-bit for example was available as an export option from Lightroom.
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Thanks for the feedback. For sure, you wouldn’t want to edit a jpg 8bit lossy compressesd file, I totally understand. I’m going to presume a few things. Affinity cannot do what lightroom does? Otherwise you would be editing the RAW from start to finish in affinity with no reason to edit in lightroom? Your obviously doing extreme editing on each image as lightroom mobile has everything one needs for basic to pretty high end editing already? Can affinity read a PNG file?

If so have you tried exporting out of lightroom mobile with the uncompressed PNG file and working on it in affinity? On my iPad Pro it only takes about 10seconds to create the PNG in lightroom mobile before exporting as original.

I haven’t yet got the full specs on the generated PNG file, but from what I can see and have played around with, it’s most certainly a uncompressed file.
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By the way, how do you export a png from Lightroom mobile ? I don’t seem to have that option.
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Firstly make sure you have downloaded the free adobe FIX app. Select the image you would like to convert, select the share icon and choose edit in. Then choose Either liquify or healing option with FIX, doesn’t matter. Choose high quality and it will open in FIX. Don’t do anything to the image, just hit the save back button bar. It now saves back into lightroom next to the original file. It is a uncompressed PNG. Select it and go again to the share icon, you’ll see export original. Choose destination and there you go. Including rendering, it’s about a 45 to 60 second process. Also depending on ipad specs.
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Ok but a question arises here : since lightroom mobile only exports as jpeg, how do we know that the image sent to FIX is not a jpeg ? It’s not because FIX saves as a PNG that the received image isn’t a jpeg in the first place, I think that has to be verified first.
But all in all even if this tweak works, this is totally unprofessional and a disgrace for adobe to have such low standards (maybe commercially on purpose which is even worse).
Even google’s snapseed offers a few export options and it’s free ! Makes me think that Lightroom mobile is no better in the end than the iOS photo correction app, except for the fact that one is free and the other isn’t.
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In previous posts I mentioned it was a hack and we need to get further on the file produced. It was just an idea I had to try help people with a hack that way work until sorted.
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Yes I read that and thanks a lot for your hacks. I don’t want to rant anymore
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I'm willing to bet that once Adobe brings the full version of Photoshop to iOS[0], you'll be able to exchange lossless image data between Lightroom and Photoshop.

It remains to be seen if we'll have the ability to export into anything other than lossy compressed files from Lightroom or Photoshop to other third party apps. Not having this feature would make a ton of sense if the point of all of this is to lock us into the walled garden.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/13/17567886/ipad-photoshop-release-date-apple-photo-editing-adobe
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The fact that IOS is already exporting uncompressed files when editing in other Adobe products means that they are keeping clients within the adobe product space, which makes perfect sense from a business perspective. If adobe could offer a full or close to full functioning photoshop, it wouldn’t matter for most, as long as the option is there.

95% of all my edits are completed in lightroom, healing and liquify are also connect to lightroom with FIX, so for those doing things like composites, adobe needs to offer further services. Asking adobe to open up the possibility to allow people to edit in another companies product line will not reap any results. Asking them to provide IOS photoshop is the route to take.

I think for those who are doing a basic level edit in lightroom, then exporting a jpg and importing into affinity to further do a basic level edit in affinity makes absolutely no sense. Choose one or the other, lightroom can now do almost anything to a RAW image outside of the extremes.
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@John, I agree. I brought up this exact argument here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/is-lightroom-cc-a-nonprofessional-version-of-...

Rick did reply that "Adobe has no interest in preventing us from using other software", but I seriously doubt that from a business perspective.

I'd be ok with a "CC walled garden" assuming any upcoming future Photoshop for iOS isn't going to be seriously crippled, much like Lightroom for iOS is in many regards (panoramas? sync adjustments between multiple images? etc.).
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Thanks Victor, Let’s wait and see, cheers
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled TIF-Export function in Lightroom on mobile devices.

Please add TIF-Export function to Lightroom on mobile devices. This function is absolutely crutial for using an iPad as your main editing platform.

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Absolutely