Photoshop: Mirror Paint/Symmetric/Seamless Tile Paint Function

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Photoshop could use a interactive Mirror Paint and Seamless edge/border painting function. Painter has had this feature for about 10 years now.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Symmetrical editing/selecting.


I had an idea for symmetrical editing in Photoshop.

There could be a feature where you place a special guideline in the middle of the two objects you want to manipulate symmetrically, and then anything selected on one side of the guideline will be symmetrically mirrored on the other side of the guideline. For example, let's say that I have a picture of a person, and I want to move their eyes closer together or farther apart by the same amount. If you put the guideline in the middle of the person's face and then select around the left eye, an identical mirrored selection would be made on the other side of the guideline (around the right eye). Then, you could either nudge both eyes in the same direction, nudge both eyes closer to the guideline, or nudge both eyes away from the guideline.

In addition, any edits done to the picture on one side of the guideline will automatically be mirrored on the picture on other side of the guideline.
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@D P:

This is exactly how it is done in Corel Painter. Don ́t know why Photoshop still doesn ́t offer something like that. But Painter is soooo much better for painting anyway...
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Man, as an illustrator and graphic designer I've been dying for realtime symmetry/tiling in Photoshop for a LONG time.

Some games industry guys have commented, but there are applications for logo design, industrial design, textile design, photomanipulation, concept art, texturing, the list goes on and on. This should be key functionality, and robust as possible.

The way Zbrush handles it (as a toggle), with radial options is smart. I think a good way to handle it would be account for all types of symmetry mathematically possible. But in the meantime, just being able to mirror painting,pen tool, etc. over an axis in realtime would be brain explodingly good.
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Keep in mind, Photoshop is first and foremost, the dominant 2d program. The newer 3d bells and whistles are nice, but the thing people go to it for is manipulating 2 dimensional imagery. Symmetry in 2d design is as old and primitive as human civilization. There's no excuse not to include it.

It's a mathematical process that a computer can handle very well to do what a human can't easily on their own.
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Tossing in my support for this idea. I'm a graphic designer and game artist, and both a symmetry tool and a canvas wrapping tool would be two of the biggest improvements to my workflow I can imagine.

For logo design or creating emblems, icons, etc, being able to quickly iterate with the brush tool is great. Symmetrical designs are notoriously hard to do by hand, though, and a mirror/symmetry brush or function would be incredibly beneficial both in terms of time and results. Similarly, when creating a character model in a 3D-modeling app, game artists will draw a reference sheet in Photoshop. It's nearly impossible to draw a perfectly symmetrical character by hand, so what I'm doing right now is using a smart object that I have mirrored and masked in a separate parent document. Obviously not ideal. Sometimes I'll work in Manga Studio and use their symmetry options, but I'd rather stay in Photoshop where I do the majority of my work and where I'm most comfortable.

For texture tiling, If I'm painting a cobblestone street, for example, it takes a lot of work to make sure that the cracks between the stones line up on all edges of the texture. Having a function dedicated to automatically extending a document on all edges so a user could paint seamlessly would be incredible. I'm aware of the 3D workaround, but it's clunky and limited. My current approach is to duplicate a smart object into a 3x3 grid, paint inside the smart object, and save to update the preview in the parent document.

I know so many artists in games and design who would get so much use out of this. It's a daily part of any texture artists' workflow, and many of us feel a bit let down that it hasn't been addressed. I remain hopeful that it'll be added to Photoshop soon!
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We need this!

I am using right now "Dumb Symmetry tool" plugin forphotoshop, which does this at the click of of a button.
http://www.hundredsofsparrows.com/ind...

But this is just a mere placeholder solution, we need REALTIME symmetry painting!

Adobe, come on!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Tiled Texture Painting Idea..


Tiling Texture paint mode that isn't slow and is intuitive to use.

Right now there are 2 options for painting tile-able textures in photoshop. You can use the Offset Filter or use the 3D "New tiled painting from layer". Its so close to useful but so far from it at the same time. The offset one can be a pain in the neck for when you have 20+ layers and the 3d "new tiled painting from layer" can't give you the same fidelity as normal painting in photoshop can (Also can be really really slow).

I propose that photoshop spend some serious time on this feature to act closer to how Zbrush 2D tiling maps work. Say i grab a layer that is set to be tiled. I would then like to just move that layer halfway off of the canvas and the other half transfers to the opposite side real-time. That way i would be able to take my entire image, move it over and have it automatically transfer those pixels to the opposite ends without having to sit there in offset and without having to swap back and forth between smart objects in 3D tiled painting. There are so many other instances where this could be a useful feature as well.

Figured I'd finally share my thoughts. Love the software, just wish certain little things like this would take priority over the 3D stuff.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Symmetry mode. As a painter,symmetry painting mode is very helpful,we don't need to painting another side..


like corel painter or zbrush.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Drawing with symmetry.


Drawing with symmetry in Photoshop would be a very helpful addition. vertical horizontal and radial symmetry with adjustable number of points in radial mode.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Symmetry?.


Symmetry... look for Krita or other painting app that have symmetry. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of open source source code that can show you how to do it and add something similar, its been years I want this in photoshop -,- sad...
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Wuao, 3 years ago this thread.
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Canvas wrap and Live symmetry would be a really stunning addition. Astute Graphics has done it for Illustrator. Any chance of it it in Photoshop, 2015 release?
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Shout on my Twitter @dramenon > it may help.
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You also might want to read the responses on the first page of this request topic.
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Yeah. It's the same ol thing. I'm sorry. You won't get 50,000 users coming on here asking for features. You know why? They have a life and professional jobs, and Adobe is notorious for poor service and implementing useless features. This is why companys like Astute graphics exist, to make actual useful tools that Adobe cannot design.

Adobe is ignoring the ask of the Video Game industry and the Movie Industry who produce graphics on a daily basis using all of the Adobe apps and 3d apps at once. This is where Adobe workflows and tools fail. This forum is exhausting and already wasted my time. You guys don't care.
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Nobody is ignoring requests. We are trying to get more information in order to justify this to our management. But we do have a lot of requests from many different customer segments, plus all the changes forced on us by OS changes (high DPI, OS bugs, new APIs) and new hardware.

Just because you didn't get your favorite feature in a particular release does not mean the request has been ignored, it just means we haven't gotten to it yet. If we get more requests for a feature, that moves it higher in the priority list and makes it more likely to happen sooner.
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I'll check back in another 3 years.
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»We as users feel very mistreated by your way of communicating and your arrogant attiitude.«
I am a Photoshop user and I am in contrast grateful to Mr.Cox for contributing on this and other Fora and actually communicating with Photoshop users.
And I have not noticed arrogance in his posts so much as rather a commendable restraint.
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Id like to throw my hat in here as one of those requesting a symmetry tool feature in Photoshop! :-)
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4 years ago...
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Come on guys....Still not in the loop ?
I decided to moved to CLIP STUDIO PAINT EX just for this feature , since it exists and it s just fantastic .. !!

Maybe in another release ?
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Having a toggle for texture tiling mode for layers and groups would be awesome! This is a feature I've wanted for a long time (for creating textures to use in 3D applications, matte paintings in Photoshop, and visual effects work in After Effects). There are so many uses for this and would be one more great reason for people to almost exclusively use Photoshop as their 2D image manipulation/creation software.

I just started using Krita for digital painting and they have a Wrap Around Mode. That is exactly what Photoshop needs.
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Give up man. You are beating a dead horse. They don't care and are full of excuses. I actually think it is their code, they aren't able to do it because of the way it was written. Something like this is very simple, especially since every drawing app on the planet has this feature except for Photoshop.
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Actually we do care.

Don't listen to, dav3 he just likes to grumble.
:)

Dustin shoot me an email (daniel at adobe dot com) I would like to get more info from you if you want to discuss further.
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So, do you have any news then ?

Is this functionnality (realtime symmetry, wrapping around, canvas repetition.. whatever it s called) planned ?

thanks for any feedback
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I don't like to grumble. Everyone here from Adobe has been either:

1. rude
2. acting like a know-it-all
3. or full of excuses, with no real answers for the users.

Daniel, feel fee to reply to my emails. People have been asking for these simple features for years—literally. Photoshop doesn't seem to listen to professional 3d visual effects/video game artists, illustrators or concept artists.

Frederic, if you want better drawing tools, use a better drawing program like Sketchbook pro. They are really nice, responsive and the feel/feedback is a much better experience.
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"People have been asking for these simple features for years—literally."

Years? Try decades.
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Companies are not allowed to specify what will be available or time frames, sorry. But I have been having a lot of conversations on this subject.

1 > Please feel free to contact me with an example of a rude employee/response. So that I may slap a wrist :)
2 > But we do know it all with regards to this product and all that entails :)
3 > I dont recall ever giving you or anyone an excuse on this matter (or others) I try to tell you straight when possible.

I have replied to your emails.

I have never discouraged others form trying other products, I still believe in Photoshop as my favorite tool despite the others on the market. And I have used them all.

Oh we listen, plenty of examples of listening and doing. We converse *continually* with a variety of creatives that provide valuable feedback on this subject and many things.

Have a nice day
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1 > Please feel free to contact me with an example of a rude employee/response. So that I may slap a wrist :)

>>Some of us are professional artists working and do not have time for finding these, or bothering with these forums.

2 > But we do know it all with regards to this product and all that entails :)

>> Maybe with the product, but not with the suite or needs of professionals, hence 3d even being a thought in Photoshop.

3 > I dont recall ever giving you or anyone an excuse on this matter (or others) I try to tell you straight when possible.

>> No, I just got an earful of the Adobe soapbox. Photoshop might be your favorite, but hardly represents the professional aspects of individual creative industries.

Has anyone seen Affinity? Give them a try. Their products are simple, clean and fast, not to mention cheap. They are up and coming... https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/
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It seems promissing, but it s still lack the symmetry tool :)