Managing fonts

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It's is very aggravating to have just one enormously long list of fonts. It is hard to navigate, hard to find the correct font, hard to quickly compare between two similar fonts.
This is something that should be solved at the system level, but as long as that is not the case, Photoshop and other Adobe products should add their own way to manage fonts. I would pay money for that.
At the very least, the user should be able to sort their fonts in folders. E.g. "Handwritten" "Dingbats" etc. That would browsing fonts very much more convenient. And it would be easier to compare two fonts also, because similar fonts are near each other. Also, font families, who often have a dozen entries in the list, could be put in their own folder and don't use up that much space.
But in the end, what you really want is a tagging system. It is no coincidence that font websites use a tagging system to search for fonts, it is ideal for this kind of problem.

Also, I think it would be good if you could replace "Sample" with a custom text. For example, if I'm looking for a font for numbers, I'm not interested how letters are rendered with this font.
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Above is probably a link to installing fonts. From the time Windows was made, fonts could be installed individually.  Too many fonts can bog down your Windows boot-up time while fonts are being installed. Fonts already installed in Adobe programs are vector fonts mostly used in website applications and are not always desirable but most browsers read vector fonts. If you buy a font package, it is over run by lots of fonts. Fonts are installed by clicking on the spy-glass next to the Windows icon at the lower-left bottom screen.  At its search windows, type fonts.  That will bring up a screen of icons installed already. There you can delete or make active any font. For Windows 10, if you want new fonts installed, open your font package, then drag the fonts to that font window. They are added in alpha-order as you see them "disappear" into the box but they are taking their place in alpha-order.  New fonts will open with your program.  If there is one or few you won't need such as dingbats, delete it.  But be cautious. After deleting a font, you cannot bring it back. As a software engineer, our rule of thumb for deleting files is,  "don't".  Once it's gone it's gone. Fonts is not one of those that can be brought back with a delete-program, as deleted fonts are not retained in a special folder.  If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a note.  Steve Lehman, Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. 8-26-16
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Steve, I have no idea what you're trying to tell me, or how it is relevant to my post.
I'm assuming your reply was generated automatically.
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> At the very least, the user should be able to sort their fonts in folders. E.g. "Handwritten" "Dingbats" etc. That would browsing fonts very much more convenient.

All of that would be nice. The link above, if you didn't check it out, is to another very long thread where people are asking for the same thing. Photoshop has already gotten better font management recently. As expected, InDesign is still in the lead. If we just keep asking, I'm sure eventually we'll  have several ways to tame those font lists, so glad to see someone else pile on wanting more font management inside Adobe products.
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I have checked out the link. I don't have Photoshop CC, so I wasn't able to check for myself, but a "similar fonts" option is not what I asked for (or you, apparently). To use the similar fonts-thingamajig, presumably I would have to locate an appropriate font first. Secondly, who decides which fonts are similar? If the list is automatically generated, then I don't trust it beyond simple criteria like serif vs sans-serif. The list is bound to be incomplete and contain a large number of false positives. This is simply unavoidable, because the program doesn't know which aspect of a given font I'm interested in. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

Btw, your quote makes it painfully clear to me that I should proofread my posts a bit more. I am embarrassed.
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> so I wasn't able to check for myself, but a "similar fonts" option is not what I asked for (or you, apparently).>

No, not exactly. I wasn't speaking in specific terms about all of the new ideas that might have been mentioned in that thread, or what we've already got, but about getting better in-app font management in general. Our lists have been aided by grouping fonts within a font family, so we don't have to scroll past 20 type styles of one font in order to get to the next font.

Similar fonts is far from perfect. It will, however, let you see some fonts that are installed and active that are of a somewhat similar nature. I see some real oddball results sometimes, though, so it's only a start in helping you find, say, a few more brush fonts if you've selected one first. And yes, it is a bit like separating serif and sans, although it does seem to distinguish between Showboat and Bodoni.<G>

Match font can help us find similar fonts from a JPEG image of a font—again, a bit hit or miss, but it's easier than scrolling through everything, much like the Similar fonts feature. You can run these once, pick a font that's closer to what you want, run it again, and it might save you time searching the entire list. Favorites and Recents can also shorten the list. All are steps that used to belong only to InDesign, but not the big step of either tags or categories. I think tags would do the trick and be the most flexible.

Being able to have our own text, rather than Sample, would be  nice, although I will admit, by typing it in the document, the live preview on hover is even nicer and makes it easy to compare two-three or more fonts used as you intend to use them.

I think they're getting there. On-screen alternate glyphs is one of my favorites. They're just not all the way there yet, they don't yet have parity between the 3 major design apps, and their algorithms for Similar could use a fair bit of work, if it's even possible to do enough. Obviously, no computer is going to replace our own taste in these matters.  '-}

The biggest feature missing for me would be tags so I can filter by my own definition of what I'm looking for. It might be a schoolgirl hand or an elegant retro 20s style, and I'm the only one that can know what I'm looking for by having tagged the fonts first. Some will naturally fall into more than one category for me.

Although I will say that as many hours as they've already committed to this, I think the chances of them offering it to anyone who doesn't subscribe are slim to none.
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(Edit: This is a reply to a post that has been deleted by the author. NOT a reply to Cristen.)

Says the guy who replied with a wall of text that completely failed to address the subject.
As long as there are no good ways to manage fonts there will be people complaining about it.
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> As long as there are no good ways to manage fonts there will be people complaining about it.>

Kind of the whole point of this forum. . . we complain (civilly, of course), uncover and/or confirm bugs, and just occasionally spawn great ideas, and Adobe listens. . .sometimes they even act on what we have discussed.  '-}
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Howdy Julius,

Let me try to answer your concerns at least a little.  Adobe has added a number of features in Photoshop to help reduce the burden you're running into.  It's not perfect, sure, but the progress which may sufficiently address your concerns.

First, fonts default to "All Classes" but you can filter fonts as Serif, Slab Serif, Sans Serif, Script, Blackletter, Monospace, Handwritten, and Decorative.  You can find the control by clicking on the Font Face dropdown menu and clicking the first entry on the left.

Next, in the latest release of Photoshop, you'll find that fonts are grouped by family, so that you'll see a single entry for Avenir or Myriad Pro.  If you want the various flavor, click the drill down.  

As for custom font group, you can do that now as well.  When you click open the Font Face dropdown, to the left of each font in the list, you'll see a star.  If you click it, this font is added to your favorites, which you can filter on to find them quickly.

So, I hope these suggestions help.  Give 'em a try.  As for the SAMPLE string, yeah, I agree with you, but for a couple of technical reasons, this is a lot harder than you'd think...8-(

Thanks,
David
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What if the filters are not picking up the right fonts? Is there a way I can go in and fix this?
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Howdy Wendy,

I can submit a bug report for a specific case or class of cases.  I'm not sure how the heuristic works, but I'm sure in can be improved.  Did you have a set of examples you could share with me?

Thanks,
David
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Handwritten fonts are not picking up all of the handwritten, as well the decorative.  I have over 300 fonts, most of them Handwritten or Calligraphy Fonts.  I also do Decorative.  But it puts things like Amazing Spider Man in both types of fonts when it is nowhere close to a Handwritten font.  As well as it puts Denver Broncos Custom. 

It does this with others (I picked those since they might seem the best descriptive names for fonts)  I was hoping that this feature would allow me to have at least my handwritten ones, which I favor greatly, but it seems to miss alot of them like Arizona, Rainy Wind, And Chopin.  Which incidentally is not in the Decorative class either. 

I hope this helps you out...

Thanks, 
Wendy
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> As for custom font group, you can do that now as well.  When you click open the Font Face dropdown, to the left of each font in the list, you'll see a star.  If you click it, this font is added to your favorites, which you can filter on to find them quickly.>

Well. . . okay, sort of. Not really what I think either of us is talking about. Favorites is very nice. Don't get me wrong. It would be even nicer if deleting Prefs didn't wipe out Favorites, or did that change behind my back?

But Favorites doesn't replace tags for custom "categories." When I activate fonts, I want to be able to say it's "Western," as opposed to"Distressed." And maybe I also want to say "slab" or "hand" or "outline." Now I have more ways to filter, and I'm not filtering necessarily on classes. My entire active list would show all the fonts I've tagged with "Western" or with "Outline." Maybe we could even drill down from there. From "Outline" to only those Outline fonts that are "Sans."

This would be ideal. A lot of work, and it moves Adobe very close to the realm of 3rd party font management software, minus activating/deactivating, and/or collecting in groups, printing, etc., but awfully nice.Something to shoot for, anyway.

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