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This is something that should be solved at the system level, but as long as that is not the case, Photoshop and other Adobe products should add their own way to manage fonts. I would pay money for that.
At the very least, the user should be able to sort their fonts in folders. E.g. "Handwritten" "Dingbats" etc. That would browsing fonts very much more convenient. And it would be easier to compare two fonts also, because similar fonts are near each other. Also, font families, who often have a dozen entries in the list, could be put in their own folder and don't use up that much space.
But in the end, what you really want is a tagging system. It is no coincidence that font websites use a tagging system to search for fonts, it is ideal for this kind of problem.
Also, I think it would be good if you could replace "Sample" with a custom text. For example, if I'm looking for a font for numbers, I'm not interested how letters are rendered with this font.
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All of that would be nice. The link above, if you didn't check it out, is to another very long thread where people are asking for the same thing. Photoshop has already gotten better font management recently. As expected, InDesign is still in the lead. If we just keep asking, I'm sure eventually we'll have several ways to tame those font lists, so glad to see someone else pile on wanting more font management inside Adobe products.
Btw, your quote makes it painfully clear to me that I should proofread my posts a bit more. I am embarrassed.
No, not exactly. I wasn't speaking in specific terms about all of the new ideas that might have been mentioned in that thread, or what we've already got, but about getting better in-app font management in general. Our lists have been aided by grouping fonts within a font family, so we don't have to scroll past 20 type styles of one font in order to get to the next font.
Similar fonts is far from perfect. It will, however, let you see some fonts that are installed and active that are of a somewhat similar nature. I see some real oddball results sometimes, though, so it's only a start in helping you find, say, a few more brush fonts if you've selected one first. And yes, it is a bit like separating serif and sans, although it does seem to distinguish between Showboat and Bodoni.<G>
Match font can help us find similar fonts from a JPEG image of a font—again, a bit hit or miss, but it's easier than scrolling through everything, much like the Similar fonts feature. You can run these once, pick a font that's closer to what you want, run it again, and it might save you time searching the entire list. Favorites and Recents can also shorten the list. All are steps that used to belong only to InDesign, but not the big step of either tags or categories. I think tags would do the trick and be the most flexible.
Being able to have our own text, rather than Sample, would be nice, although I will admit, by typing it in the document, the live preview on hover is even nicer and makes it easy to compare two-three or more fonts used as you intend to use them.
I think they're getting there. On-screen alternate glyphs is one of my favorites. They're just not all the way there yet, they don't yet have parity between the 3 major design apps, and their algorithms for Similar could use a fair bit of work, if it's even possible to do enough. Obviously, no computer is going to replace our own taste in these matters. '-}
The biggest feature missing for me would be tags so I can filter by my own definition of what I'm looking for. It might be a schoolgirl hand or an elegant retro 20s style, and I'm the only one that can know what I'm looking for by having tagged the fonts first. Some will naturally fall into more than one category for me.
Although I will say that as many hours as they've already committed to this, I think the chances of them offering it to anyone who doesn't subscribe are slim to none.
Says the guy who replied with a wall of text that completely failed to address the subject.
As long as there are no good ways to manage fonts there will be people complaining about it.
Let me try to answer your concerns at least a little. Adobe has added a number of features in Photoshop to help reduce the burden you're running into. It's not perfect, sure, but the progress which may sufficiently address your concerns.
First, fonts default to "All Classes" but you can filter fonts as Serif, Slab Serif, Sans Serif, Script, Blackletter, Monospace, Handwritten, and Decorative. You can find the control by clicking on the Font Face dropdown menu and clicking the first entry on the left.
Next, in the latest release of Photoshop, you'll find that fonts are grouped by family, so that you'll see a single entry for Avenir or Myriad Pro. If you want the various flavor, click the drill down.
As for custom font group, you can do that now as well. When you click open the Font Face dropdown, to the left of each font in the list, you'll see a star. If you click it, this font is added to your favorites, which you can filter on to find them quickly.
So, I hope these suggestions help. Give 'em a try. As for the SAMPLE string, yeah, I agree with you, but for a couple of technical reasons, this is a lot harder than you'd think...8-(
Well. . . okay, sort of. Not really what I think either of us is talking about. Favorites is very nice. Don't get me wrong. It would be even nicer if deleting Prefs didn't wipe out Favorites, or did that change behind my back?
But Favorites doesn't replace tags for custom "categories." When I activate fonts, I want to be able to say it's "Western," as opposed to"Distressed." And maybe I also want to say "slab" or "hand" or "outline." Now I have more ways to filter, and I'm not filtering necessarily on classes. My entire active list would show all the fonts I've tagged with "Western" or with "Outline." Maybe we could even drill down from there. From "Outline" to only those Outline fonts that are "Sans."
This would be ideal. A lot of work, and it moves Adobe very close to the realm of 3rd party font management software, minus activating/deactivating, and/or collecting in groups, printing, etc., but awfully nice.Something to shoot for, anyway.
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