Elements: Making sure my external hard drive stays connected?

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This is probably a dumb question .. . but we all know the saying here in the States, “The only dumb question, isthe unasked one.”  I always thought thatwas pretty silly . . .until  . . . grin .. .

How can I get the femaleportion of the cord on my external hard drive to fit tighter into by PC?   For example, plumbers and mechanics use aproduct called Teflon tape.  It wrapsaround the threads of a bolt.  Then whenthe bolt is screwed into the ‘whatever’, the ‘whatever’ fits much tighter.  I have used it myself several times.  It works great.  And, might even work well for the problemthat I bring up now.

Is a similar product madeavailable for PC’s?  Attimes, the end that plugs into my PC (I’m speaking about external hard driveshere), slips a bit (or, in–some unfortunate occasions, slips a BUNCH)and photosthat I value are rendered lost, and therefore worthless.  Which leads me to another question foranother day.

I used SuperGlue for the end thatis connected to my external HD.  It worksGREAT.   However,  I have been resistant to use the sametechnique to my PC because sooner or later the external HD is going to crash .. .  .and I am going to be left with adead ‘ball and chain’ of an external hard drive attached to my PC.   I donot think that would be very cool at all.

Is such a product made andcould you please tell me a little about it?

Thank you very much,

Dean
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Hello DDW, 

So we're talking about hardware, instead of Adobe software which is fine with me.  First, being a technician I will have a few questions of course.   First, which brand, and type of external hard drive is it?  What type of cable are you using with it?   I have not heard of female connectors on external hard drives.   Maybe some mobile types are that way, I'm not sure, I don't buy mobiles.   

Most use a male to male USB connected "A to B" cord.   Fill me in on some details to be able to help you further.   In my business, we have 7 workstations, each having their own external hard drive for back up.   In total we have 11 external drives.  We use the old copy-paste as we never use the Windows backup utility which doesn't work when moving files to a newer PC.   I am hoping you will tell me you are using one which has a real disc for a hard drive not a mobile drive with its silicon.   A mobile drive has silicon for its hard drive and no moving parts, as it's really a large-sized thumb-drive.  That's the kind which plugs in and gets its power-feed from a USB connected cord from your PC.   Our type with a real hard drive have an AC plug with a power source from the wall which is our preference.  We use that most often because they are reliable.   Also they can be disconnected from the USB so viruses don't grow on them, and they keep the data warm with an AC connection.  Having either type won't matter, I will help you, but I wanted to put out my feeling about types of external hard drives.  I hope you don't mind.   

Personally, my favorite brand is Seagate with an AC plug and USB connector.  I do have 2 Western Digital models which had no problems in reviews and have held up, but older models had a power supply problem beyond 2005 or earlier, so I shy away from them.   Now we have some basics.   

Tell me which type of connection you have please, and don't leave anything out.    IF it is a USB connector cord, using Superglue is not a good thing to use with an "over and under" connection.   Maybe you were lucky not to interfere with its connectors, then it's okay.   I know you are an intelligent man and you are doing the right thing.   

Steve Lehman, mcse, Seattle   



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Steve,

My apologies for my late reply.  You will see why in a moment.

   First, which brand, and type of external hard drive is it?y

***** Western Digital.  It is called a 'Passport'.  It is 4tb in capacity.  Type: Local Disk, File System: NTFS  ---- I don't now much about PC's'.  And, since I am permanently physically disabled --- the little I know, I quickly forget due to the short term memo lost my meds caused me.  Maybe I should have picked a different hobby?!

  What type of cable are you using with it?  

********** The box states: "3.0 USB cable".  The steel male part that plugs into the PC is about twice as long as the steel male part that plugs into the WD.
 
I have not heard of female connectors on external hard drives.   Maybe some mobile types are that way, I'm not sure, I don't buy mobiles. 

******** Mine is 'portable'.  The cable is MALE on each (my mistake, I am sorry).  But again, the usb male that plugs into the PC, the steel part of it -- that part is twice as long as the still part that connects the cable into the WB.  

******* As it relates to external harddrives - what are 'mobiles'?

Most use a male to male USB connected "A to B" cord.   Fill me in on some details to be able to help you further.  

********** After confusing you (sorry), I  hope I have made things clearer now.  It uses a male to male USB connected "A to  B" cord.  The only difference is the steel end that goes into the PC is about twice as long as the steel end that goes into the WD.

In my business, we have 7 workstations, each having their own external hard drive for back up.   In total we have 11 external drives.  We use the old copy-paste as we never use the Windows backup utility which doesn't work when moving files to a newer PC.

********** I don't understand the above part.

  I am hoping you will tell me you are using one which has a real disc for a hard drive not a mobile drive with its silicon.  

*********** My PC has a 1tb hard-drive.  I try to keep it as lean as I can so that PSE has less lag time and therefore performs better.  So, did i give you the answer you (see above)?

That's the kind which plugs in and gets its power-feed from a USB connected cord from your PC.   Our type with a real hard drive have an AC plug with a power source from the wall which is our preference.  We use that most often because they are reliable.

*********  I see.  Sounds expensive.  How much approximately for me to purchase one for what I want to use it for?

  Also they can be disconnected from the USB so viruses don't grow on them, and they keep the data warm with an AC connection.  Having either type won't matter, I will help you, but I wanted to put out my feeling about types of external hard drives.  I hope you don't mind.   

********* Not at all.  I enjoy the education.  Thank you! 

Personally, my faorite brand is Seagate with an AC plug and USB connector.  I do have 2 Western Digital models which had no problems in reviews and have held up, but older models had a power supply problem beyond 2005 or earlier, so I shy away from them.   Now we have some basics.  

I have a one tb Seagate.   So, you are saying the best external hard drives to buy are ones that are powered via AC? We got the brands down . . . what about models?

And, at times . . . .my PC (HP Envy -- 1tb hd, 16 RAM) . .. . when I have my WD Passport plugged in, the PC recognizes it as a G drive and an F drive . .  . which Gives my ADOBE PSE fits.  Solutions for that one?  UGH.

Thanks.

Dean

 


Tell me which type of connection you have please, and don't leave anything out.    IF it is a USB connector cord, using Superglue is not a good thing to use with an "over and under" connection.   Maybe you were lucky not to interfere with its connectors, then it's okay.   I know you are an intelligent man and you are doing the right thing.   

Steve Lehman, mcse, Seattle   



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Hi there Dean, 

So far, you have the correct cable and you're using it correctly.  Your Western Digital can use either 3.0 or 2.0 USB A to B cables.  To answer your question concerning 'portable' - it's the same as 'mobile', as those terms are placed on external hard drives loosely so it doesn't matter which term a manufacture may use.   And it does not matter how your Adobe is on your internal hard drive, it doesn't take up any more room on the drive beyond normal, and it will work the same way as any hard drive.  I looked up your Western Digital model.   It's compatible for PC or Mac and interchangeable data for either, too.  It is equal to the Seagate I described.   So there's not anything else to recommend.   Also, I think your Passport can use an AC cord, not sure of that.  I am only familiar with the Western Digital My Cloud which can use an AC cord. 

All of us use the Seagate Backup Plus Slim which was tested to be most reliable, retails for $65 at Best Buy or Amazon.    

As for the copy-paste info, never mind that, it might be a moot issue, and it's too hard to explain the old Windows backup utility.   I don't think Windows 8 or 10 has that anyway.  


Steve   



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Hello Steve,

My apologies for my delayed response.  Life.  Stuff.

Thank you so much for all your research.  I really appreciate it.

I imagine the biggest problem is one I did not tell you about (because I don't see how to change it on my budget).

The PC I run Essentials on is a laptop.  So, sometimes I am prone to get up and forget it (the Passport - external hard drive) is still connected.  So . . . Pilot error.

I have been pondering Velcro.  Put the ext hd on the backlid, near the usb port.  Then have strips on the connector.  Top and bottom of the connector with the purpose being trying to snug it up closer to the port, and if/when I get up and forget that it is still connected, it will be less of a 'shock to the system'.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  Grin.  

I have even pondered surrendering one of the ports via super-gluing the ex hd to the PC.  I have other ports.  I have usb hubs.  If I did that, and I needed to get the ex hd off the PC, I would just snip the cord.  Do you know what those cords look like inside?  Because if I did do the above, then at the appropriate time I would need to splice the cord back together.  

I checked my model for AC.  It doesn't have it.

Got any other ideas?

Thanks again,

Dean

PS:  Prior to me getting an external HD, Essentials ran reeeeaaaaaallllll slow, on the exact same PC.  Ccleaner informed me that I had about 40% of my resources left at that time.  So, I got the ex hd.  I tossed just about everything into it . . . .now Ccleaner tells me I have almost 92% of my resources left.  I know that is not all Essentials and Pics.  But, wont Essentials and Pics take up about 10% of my internal HD (it has like 930 GB (if that is the correct term - it is almost a Terabyte)? I'm just paranoid about going back to 'Slowland'.   Well, actually -- I currently have Essentials on my PC and the pics on my EX HD.  But still . . . sorry so rambling  . . . rough week.  With an even tougher month ahead.





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I don't know man, sounds like the drive will be too heavy for tghe lid.  Put away your super glue, it's a hazard to PC's.  Forget it!   You did the right thing to toss everything onto your EXT HD.   It doesn't matter which resource your files come from, they're personal files.  Don't put your apps on the EXT HD, they won't be rooted to Windows.   
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Steve, I thought and the guys at 'the shop' probably needed a good laugh today so I enclosed a pic.

The white stuff you see is the glue.  The VELCRO is glued to the lid.  So, if/when I want to remove the ext hd, and Ex-zach-toe (sp and more laughs!) Knife should be able to clean things up fine so that I will be able to remove the ex hd from the lid. 

The end of the cord that goes into the PC, no glue on it.  Not at this point.  And if I decide I need some glue there also, I will use a nice, thick glue,  One that will 'bridge the gap' . . . the gap from PC to rubber side of cord -- WITHOUT getting any on the steel, shiny part.  And if I do, it will be so minimal, that the good, old knife mentioned above, should be able to clean it up with ease.

Some time I will take a 'Sharpie' pen and see if I can cut back that white stuff  --- the glue, that is on the edges. 

And, if I sense the lid is starting to weaken in that corner, then I will just pop the ex hd off of the lid.  All that will be left on the lid is two black stripes.  Hey, a theft-deterrent!  Nobody wants to be seen with a nice laptop with two pieces of black Velcro on the left corner of the lid!  Grin. 

I have not used the machine much since this ghastly repair (sometimes it is nice . . .real nice . . . to be divorced.  Grin.).  The glue needs about two more days to be fully cured.  I'll keep ya posted.  Now, go so whoever can get a good laugh out of it.  Share the joy/laughter!

Thank you for graciously sharing your knowledge with me.  It has been enlightening.

Take care,

Dean





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To me it looks like a big job for nothing, a waste of time, and a real mess, but I'm a tech and I think about other things.  I will never do that to a laptop.  You're having fun so that's what counts.  The lid will come off in a shorter time than expected as it's not meant to carry a load.  Again, a technician may not work on it or they might advise you to not glue things there.   There's gotta be a reason why they didn't put a hard drive on the lid.   

I'm backing off from this and getting on to more technical things that awaits me.  Thanks for the picture.   DDW, you mentioned your divorce.   I've been with a wife for 32 years but was divorced in the 70's and I knew then I would need a new wife to keep me centered and grounded.  Might want to figure that into your future.  Maybe she'll slap your hands more than I did.  Good luck with that.   
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Steve, You were right.  After only a few days, I removed the ex hd from the lid of my PC.  It looked dumb and felt awkward (the weight distribution).  So, thank you for kindly directly me in the right way.  Your labor was not in vain!  ;-)

I replaced the cable with a 'never used before' cable.  I have two of those Passport ex hd's.  I am not sure of the spelling, but I think you will know what I am talking about . . . is that cable that i use for my Passport a propriety (a cable only bought and sold by the company that owns Passport) cable or does it have a name for it?

Replacing the cable helped.  The original one had too much slack in it.  Move my laptop a bit here and then there . .  . and before ya know it . . . it was no longer connected and i was losing data!  Hence, the super-gluing it into the ext hd (when I first used it over a year ago).  It was easy to break that bond so that I could replace that cable with the new one.

I can photo the cable if you need me to.

Maybe if I proactively replace that cable once a year - then I won't lost data and will not be looking for the Super Glue and Velcro.

I'm not opposed to marriage but I am not real marketable any more since becoming disabled 10 years ago.  Not whining or complaining, just stating the facts.  I am glad that marriage number two has worked out for you.  My Dad was married to my Mom for 18 years.  Then they split with I was about 13.  Wife number two for my Dad. . . that marriage has been going strong for the last 40 years.

Now . . . back to that cable . . . thanks!

Dean
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Send a photo of the cable.   
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The bigger end is the regular size USB.  Thank you.  Dean




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