Lightroom Classic 9.3: Not preserving Lens Correction for files imported with previous versions

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Ok, late yesterday I did some checking while trying to respond to a thread in the LrC forum relating to Lr 3.3 and the user having problems when exporting jpegs from raw files claiming that the edits did not show in the exported image. First off my camera gear is OM-D EM-1, which is my only camera since 2015. I use m43 lenses and when I import raw files the "built-in lens profile applied" is always displayed in the develop module. I do not normally apply any additional lens corrections.

Yesterday I checked on the recent imports and that is still happening. Checking on some folders with imports v9.3 were fine. I then checked some earlier imports and found occasional files where the message was not displayed. I closed up for the night.

This morning I selected a folder containing a few dozen files, imported in 2016, and noticed a number of them did not display the "built-in profile, message. Continued for maybe 15 to 20 min then what!!?? now none of the files display, the message. Did not do an export test but changed one of the images from "process version 3 to 5" but no relief.

Based on info in the thread I was following and from two users, I believe something is fundamentally wrong with how LrC 9.3 and Lr 3.3 

I shut down Lightroom for now, and have taken "time out" for now.https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/lens-correction-not-exporting-with-image-file/td-p/11285750?cid=101&cgid=18269&page=1



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What does Camera Raw say on these suspect files?
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Sorry, I do not know, I do not use Camera Raw, however, I found a fix to have the "built-in message" displayed. Used zoom 1:1 in Develop and then back to fit. This works but it is temp fix and does not address the core problem.
LrC 9.3 creates a lot of problems for many users in how it deals with the lens profile and it happens with several camera models. See the thread that I have included in the report. Needs attention ASAP.
Also, I have seen the bug report post in the Lr 3.3 forum that has several problems relating to Lens Profiles. 
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Which is why I asked if you see the same thing on Camera Raw. I cannot reproduce your issue so if you can reproduce it on Camera Raw, that tells me that Camera Raw is the likely place to file the bug. Do you not have Camera Raw?
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Ok I post two pictures in the message. The one from LrC does not show the message. I save the metadata to file in LrC so it could open in photoshop the other message is the ACR display which shows the message. Hope this can help.
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These screen captures show another image that does not show the message. I opened the raw file directly in ACR without a sidecar and the image shows that the profile is applied but not the other edits in LrC as expected.
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Bonjour, j'ai remarqué que sur d'anciens développement (profil version 3) Dans LrC 9.3, dès qu'on touche à un seul curseur, la version se met à jour en version 5. Si on choisi de remettre la version à 3, dès qu'on modifie denouveau un quelconque curseur, la version redevient à 5, on ne peut donc pas conserver un ancien processus pour une ancienne photo développée il y a quelques années !!!!! Peut-être que le problème ce situe ici ?

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The question is: is this just a small glitch where the message is not shown (but the profile is applied nevertheless), or is this a real problem where the profile is not applied? The image in your screenshots is not a very good image to check that (no straight lines), but both images look the same to me, so I would suggest this is just a missing message.
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What your perception of a "small glitch" or "real problem" is likely different than my reality. In my original post, I indicated the raw files from my camera and lenses require the built-in profile be applied. LrC does apply the profile and it is not something that can be turned on or off. I previously had the confirmation that the profile was in fact applied. All the files captured by my camera since June 2016 and imported by versions of LrC prior to version 9.3 are affected. 
I have 4 other raw processing applications that do the same thing as LrC this is at the behest of the Camera manufacturer. I have no simple process of comparing the file without lens correction to with the correction.

On another point, I have included a link to a thread in LrC Forum which I was following regarding two other users claiming problems with respect to how lens profiles were affecting their workflow, slightly different problems. Two different cameras one Canon and one Sony both also have built-in lens profiles.
I have informed them that I made this post and they can comment if they wish.
There is also a bug post in the Lr 3.3 forum on related issues.    
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A year ago many people reported similar symptoms with Nikon Z lenses, with no message “Built-in profile applied” even though it was applied:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...

Resetting LR’s soiled preferences fixed the issue, at least for some.
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This post has nothing to do with what I am experiencing. I do not have to look for any profile. Actually, Adobe does not create lens profiles for any Olympus Lenses. Profiles are built-in to the raw file and applied automatically. My issue is the message that is normally displayed confirming the application of the profile has gone missing in files imported prior to LrC 9.3. 
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My issue is the message that is normally displayed confirming the application of the profile has gone missing in files imported prior to LrC 9.3.

Sure sounds like Preferences file corruption to me. When Adobe adds new features the Preferences file has to be updated to include those features. This can sometimes corrupt the Preferences file and cause unexplained issues like this one. Denis please give a try!
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Denis, I think you're experiencing the same symptoms as those Nikon Z users. In your situation and theirs, the lens profile is built-in to the raw photos, LR is applying the built-in profile, but it isn't displaying the message "Built-in Lens Profile applied".  Two workarounds helped the Nikon Z users: zooming to 1:1 and back, and resetting LR preferences.  You've discovered that zooming 1:1 helps in your case, but we don't know yet whether resetting preferences helps you.
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Thanks, Todd, resetting the Preferences file has worked for me. Did a backup of my Catalog and shut down for the evening.
Maybe Adobe should include an option when making a major update or upgrade to do a reset of Preferences. Often updates happen automatically overnight. I have since changed from Auto to Advise updates.
I remember the update from LrC 9.1 to LrC 9.2 caught me by surprise and I was scrambling at six in the morning to figure what had happened. Major changes to Default Development and more.
This is actually the first time since installing Lr 1 in February 2007 that I have actually delete my Preferences file. Many changes but never actually delete or reset.
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Good to hear the Preferences file reset fixed the issue.


This is actually the first time since installing Lr 1 in February 2007 that I have actually delete my Preferences file. Many changes but never actually delete or reset.
I've had to do it at least three times and not sure when or what update caused it. What happens is one day you discover something's wacky with LR and nothing fixes it. I always remove the Preferences file and paste it on the desktop so it can be restored if of no help.


Maybe Adobe should include an option when making a major update or upgrade to do a reset of Preferences.
The problem with resetting the Preferences file is that ALL of the settings you have personalized AND all of your plugins disappear. I keep  a Word document with screenshots showing each the LR Preferences panels with my settings. I also keep all of my plugin folders in one upper level folder. It's then easy to 'Add' them all back, but you have to do it one-at-a-time.