Lightroom: Please move left panel to the right in Develop module so presets and sliders are near each other

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Dear LR, in the Develop module, why don't you move the left panel to the right next to the sliders panel, side-by-side? As it is now you have to travel continuously from the left hand side of the screen (to use the presets) to the right (fine tune with sliders), it would make the processing much much faster, please give us this option!
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Good idea - this would also facilitate using dual monitors with both panels on one monitor and the other monitor could then be used just for the largest view of the image. As it stands, such would require 3 monitors.
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I find it interesting that you use presets so extensively that it slows you down to have the panels on opposite sides. I typically use no presets per image but sometimes one or two.

Since your workflow seems very preset-centric. What sorts of things do you use presets for that require such extensive left-right context switching? Do you have all encompassing presets to set the look of the image and click through many of them for each image to settle on the best one, or do you have presets for each slider group: toning, sharpening, noise-reduction, etc, perhaps split out by ISO value, so there is a visit to the preset pallet for each type of adjustment you're doing?

I'd be for mixing and matching different panel sections between the two sides, so I could put all the common things on one side and leave all the uncommon things on the other, allowing once side to be hidden most of the time.
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"so there is a visit to the preset pallet for each type of adjustment you're doing?"

yes, pretty much, my workflow is the following

Preset #1 to apply lens correction and remove cromatic aberration in one click
Preset #2/3 to apply Canon Standard or Landscape camera profiles
Then I move to the right panel, set WB and exposure slider, then back to preset #4 for contrast preset then move right again to fine tune contrast, keep right to adjust highlights, shadows etc, then back to the preset #5 for clarity and vibrance, then right again to fine tune both. Then left again for preset #6: sharpening, then right again to fine tune amount and masking of sharpening. then left again to apply preset #7, vignetting.

there is a lot of right and left...both panels on same side would avoid all this. I dont know if it works for everyone but it would be nice to have the option, it should be to difficult to implement. Also develop history does not make sense on the left.
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Do you have many presets for each type of adjustment or only one?

From your description it sounds like one, but maybe there is a group of presets for each #n you describe and you pick and choose based on some unmentioned criteria.

If just one it seems like you could consolidate them all into a handful of import preset combinations of most of them, or set your most settings as LR defaults that apply to every image automatically.

In other words, why would you not have lens corrections and CA-adjustment and maybe sharpening all turned on at the beginning for every image and Camera Standard, too, then just set Landscape for the ones that need it or vice versa if Landscapes are more common.
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This isn't just about presets - both panels are useful in develop module, whether you use presets or not, which means you are bouncing from left to right whenever you use things in one panel, then the other... I would love to see right panel moved to be adjacent to left (the opposite of OP), so I have all the controls in the same vicinity on my left monitor, and have image full-screen on the right monitor - yeah now!

I don't care too much if things can float undocked (yuck, actually), or can be mixed and matched and reordered within a panel..., but a simple change to allow relocation of the left-right panels would be a big boon to UI, in my opinion - why not do that much anyway? - couldn't be that hard, could it?
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For the OP it may or may not be about inefficiency in using many small presets.

In your case it is about consolidating all the controls into one area so you can have the image in another--your right monitor must not have the low-res problem others talk about.

I was imagining moving panels around between the left and right panels so the common ones could be together. I have one of my monitors turned vertical--it helps with web pages and forum messages among other things. if I could move panel sections around and consolidate things all into one column I might put it on that one monitor and have my image on the other.

The autohiding wouldn't probably work very well with to small strips to accurate mouse over to unhide one panel or the other, but if you normally use LR with both panels open then it could be more efficient to have things together.
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|> "For the OP it may or may not be about inefficiency in using many small presets."

Indeed, for the OP it may only be about efficiency of using many small presets. I was merely pointing out that *all* users have the same "problem", if they frequently use things from each panel, regardless of what those things are.

PS - my monitors/video-driver have no problem with Lr, and moving (one of) the panels satisfies 2 goals:
1. Full screen image under develop, and
2. Controls consolidated to one area.

Cheers,
Rob
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Steve, usually have one or two preset for each adjustment. It is not about being inefficient, the approach "one import preset fits all" does not work, adjustments should be applied one by one in the order I mentioned. If you apply all at once it becomes messy. Also history panel, someone has to explain to me why it makes sense to have it on the opposite side. You make some adjustments, you don't like it so you go back to the history panel but that involves a trip to the other side of the screen.

It should be very simple to implement, it is a minor change in the UI not a new functionality.
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Allow docking of panels to arbitrary sides of arbitrary monitors and docked to each other would be helpful in maximizing screen space and minimize user movements.

Put camera profile at the top next to WB would be helpful so presets wouldn't need to be used for setting this because it is all the way down at the bottom but needs to be set at the beginning. This wouldn't matter if the only camera profile available is Adobe Standard but for Nikon, Canon, and now Olympus users or anyone that has built custom profiles, it would be helpful to have it not so out of the way. I'm sure it is at the bottom for historical reasons, from before there were camera-matching profiles.

For especially what you're doing, Mario, it would be helpful to have presets accessible via a list or flyout menu, at the top of each section, so you could group section-specific presets near the sliders of a section and avoid using the other panel at all. There would still need to be a place to be presets that affect several adjustment sections, such as the supplied LR presets for b/w or film-simulation modes.
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To answer why presets and filters are on the left and other things are on the right, it is the right contains all the actions that happen to an image, while the left is lists of named groups of actions to perform (presets) or records of them being performed (history). It is the type and structure of the user-interface element that determines which column it is in. Lists of items at the left can grow arbitrarily large while things on the right are carefully laid out and consist of sliders and buttons and numeric input fields, along with a few lists of items like crop ratios and white-balance settings, and camera profiles, all of which are generally populated with Adobe supplied values.
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Is there are a reason why CA and Lens Corrections are in a preset and not LR defaults? For a slower computer, I could see not wanting them applied to every image, to avoid the extra processing time to compute the initial previews, and only having them applied to your picks that would get further attention. I may not have the fastest system, but I have them as LR defaults to avoid having to enable them on each of my picks--trading preview-computation time for convenience. I also have my sharpening/masking/NR settings in my LR defaults to avoid having to set those for each of my picks.

I don't use a preset for Contrast or Clarity or Vibrance because I generally click near the same area on any of those sliders when I first start working on each of those and so don't need a preset to help me set an exactly-the-same initial value since I will be tweaking it, anyway.

You may have ISO-specific sharpening or noise-reduction presets so a set of Detail presets based on ISO might seem reasonable, but I have found that boosting the shadows during toning or especially using Clarity, will require a higher NR setting that what the ISO would normally use, so having a preset based on ISO doesn't prevent individual adjustments for NR so I just set a color-NR that works for most things and always do individual luminance-NR adjustments.

I also use Sync quite a bit to propagate adjustments from one image to the rest of a group that were shot in the same conditions so there's no need to create a preset just to apply adjustments to multiple images.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Moving Presets to Right Panel.

When I am editing a picture in Lightroom I like to close down as many panels as possible to give me more real estate for editing. When I use Develop Presets I must keep the left panel open making my image a bit smaller. I suggest that Adobe move Presets to the Right Panel with all the other Develop settings allowing closure of the left panel during develop.

I would also like to have the ability to have sub-folders for Presets.
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"I would also like to have the ability to have sub-folders for Presets."

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Thant's so true!
Many programs (incl. PhotoShop) has docking ability for menus...
Would be great to have it in LR, it's quite stupid it doesn't exist there already..
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Using a stylus on a Cintiq and having the develop module on the right hand side of the screen is a nightmare for a left-hander any adjustments I make are obscured by my arm!
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What about the original request? Is that difficult to implement? Not as default but pls give us the option