Lightroom 5.2: Not rendering correctly photos with spot removal applied in LR4

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I've just upgraded my LR4 to LR5.2 and after open my LR4 catalog in LR5.2 I discovered that some photos (not all) with many spot removal applied are not rendering right:

LR4:


LR5.2:


Am I doing something wrong or is it really a sw bug?
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Rodrigo Tozzi

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Rodrigo Tozzi

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I think it may be because of feather slide is set to zero on photos that clone spot removal was applied when converting LR4 catalog to LR5.2... if I am correct it is a sw bug...
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What is the feather slider set to currently?
Do the spots look better when you set feather to 0?

Mac or Windows?
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Rodrigo Tozzi

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After catalog convesion, feather is set to 0 on all clone type spots.
If I change feather to ~50 it looks like I see in LR4.

I'm using Windows.
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Todd Shaner

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I'm having the same issue! See this post:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56945...

It doesn't seem to affect all Spot Removal clone/heal tool spots....only some.
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Rodrigo Tozzi

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I found a way to list all images with cloned spots.

You can list images with cloned spots using a SQLite manangement sw (there are some free options out there, I used a sw called SQLiteAdmin) and executing the following query.

SELECT DISTINCT d.pathFromRoot, f.originalFilename
FROM AgLibraryFile f
INNER JOIN AgLibraryFolder d ON f.folder=d.id_local
INNER JOIN Adobe_images i ON f.id_local=i.rootFile
INNER JOIN Adobe_libraryImageDevelopHistoryStep h ON i.id_local=h.image
WHERE h.name LIKE '%spot%' and h.text LIKE '%spotType = "clone"%';

With this list you can measure if it is better wait for new release come out or do the correction of feather attribute for each image.
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Rob Cole

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Worth noting: this SQL depends on "spot" in develop history, and therefore may miss some, e.g. if history cleared, or done by sync...

Better to use AnyFilter or DevMeta, in my opinion.
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I had not thought about it! Thanks!
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Todd Shaner

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Thanks Rodrigo. After looking at this further it appears ALL images edited in LR4 and previous versions with Spot Removal are set with Feathering at ZERO (0) inside LR5 FINAL. This is very disappointing to say the least.

I have over 20,000 images in my LR catalog. Finding those images with clone/heal Spot Removal and "manually" resetting the Feathering to 50 on all of these images is not an option.

One other person on a Mac OS X claims LR5.2 FINAL fixes this issue, but that's not the case on my Windows 7 system.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

Rodrigo, what OS are you running on?
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Rodrigo Tozzi

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Windows 7
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Todd Shaner

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Rodrigo there's an explanation as to what is happening in LR5.2 FINAL concerning Spot Removal clone spots during the LR4 (or earlier) catalog conversion:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56994...

Adobe decided that it was best to default all prior image clone spots to '0' Feathering.

I ended up downloading and using AnyFilter to find images with Spot Removal applied and it works very well:

http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...
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Thanks!
For me it's ok change the way it works in new versions, or better, in new edited cloned spots using LR5, but it is unacceptable change the spots from older versions.
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Benjamin Warde, Employee

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Hi Rodrigo,

Thanks for brining this to our attention. It is a bug, and I have reported the issue to the engineers. When the bug is fixed, your old images should automatically go back to looking the way they did in Lightroom 4, you should not have to manually change any settings.

Thanks,
Ben
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Hi Benjamin,

At this post:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56994...

it is mentioned that Adobe staff Eric Chan indicates this is the way the Spot Removal clone tool functions in LR5.2, which is different than in previous versions. Based on this information it does not appear to be a bug, but a decision by Adobe's LR team concerning how to convert clone spots edited in prior versions when importing catalogs into LR5.2 Final.

Even if this is not the case (i.e. it is a bug) how are LR5.2 users supposed to use images that were edited in LR4 or earlier without first checking each and every image and "manually" correcting those that require Feathering? IMHO this is a huge problem for professional photographers who have 100,000s of images that they need to access and use today–Not when Adobe comes up with a solution. The only "workaround" for them is to go back and use LR4.4.1 for prior work AND LR5.2 Final for images they have already processed inside LR5.x.

I chose to use a non-Adobe plugin to filter and find images with Spot Removal tool application so I can "manually" correct each and every image. Fortunately I only found 179 images in my LR catalog with Spot Removal. A commercial photographer may have 1,000s of images with Spot Removal!
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My wife has just discovered that after upgrading from 5 to 5.2, all images with spot removal work have changed.
The feather slider is set to 75%, so to fix it, she has to find all these instances and change the feathering to 0.
Is this the SAME problem that others are having?
We need a fix asap Adobe!!!
Thanks.
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Todd Shaner

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Peter, I am in the process of "manually" correcting my LR4 processed images inside LR5.2 Final. I am working on a Windows 7 platform and did not use LR5.0 initial release. In my case all images with Spot Removal editing applied in LR4 or earlier version have Feathering set to '0,' which is NOT always optimal. Your wife may find that many of her images require no adjustment if they've all been set to 75 Feathering. I can't speak for what the images look like that were edited in LR5 with its Spot Removal tools.

I used a LR plugin called AnyFilter to locate the images that have Spot Removal applied. I was surprised to see that out of 20,000+ images I only had 179 with Spot Removal, so I've chosen to "manually" update the Feathering setting. It turns out that I can actually get much better results with the new LR5.2 Spot Removal tools. On images that have less than optimal looking clone or heal spots I'm taking the opportunity to "redo" them using the ":improved" LR5.2 Spot Removal tools.

You can download AnyFilter here:

http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...
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Thanks. I found that and will use it unless Adobe comes out with a fix, since I have to do it as the wife does not have the patience to follow all the instructions - just wants it fixed - who can blame her.... :)
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This is a major mess, I would have to edit thousands of photos to fix this and I just upgraded to 5.2 today from 5.1/0 and i can tell you it isn't from LR4 to LR 5.2 that's an issues I just used spot editing this week with LR5 and all that work needs to be re done. I just spoke to support who states they can't help me to try back Monday as a specialist will need to review this.
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1) What are you seeing for Feather setting on images edited in LR4 and previous versions?

2) What are you seeing for Feather setting for LR5.0 edited images?

3) Are there any other issues besides the Feather setting?
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No idea what was in LR4

LR5.0 didn't have the feathering slider, just size and opacity. All the images that are messed up have the Feathering slider set to 75%, after sliding down to 0% everything looks normal.

So far I have had LR 5.2 open for ten minutes before noticing this major problem and my current catalog has almost 10 thousand pictures and I can't even comprehend going through them to click on each little spot edit and sliding the feathering slider to 0.
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Figured out a little more, it is with the LR5 Spot removal using the brush to remove spots or sections that defaults to feathering of 75% after the upgrade to LR5.2 if it's just a simple round spot removal the feathering is defaulting to 0% in LR 5.2.
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Thanks Jason! That explains the difference (75% vs 0%).
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When using the Any Filter plugin, all of my wife's photos are being searched for the filter (images with spot removal). Since there are 10's of thousands, is there a way to only search a collection or a folder??
Thanks!
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In my opinion, it is best to ask the plugin author such questions, rather than here in the Adobe feedback forum. That said, the answer to your question is: check the 'Visible photos only' box.
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Peter, I have a little over 20,000 images in my catalog. When filtering on 'All Photographs' it only took 70 seconds to complete the filter search, which in my case pulled up 179 images. You can then Select All of the filtered images and create a collection labeled 'Spot Removal Images.' It will no longer be necessary to use the filter for this purpose.
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Great, as long as it's quick - we cancelled it after a while when we realized it was going through 60,000+ images. We will try again tonight.

Since this problem is caused by an Adobe product, and they have not responded to a solution, I feel warranted to talk about the work-around in this thread, whether it's using a third party program or otherwise. - that's my justification. :) Thanks all.
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Based on my results it shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes max. to search through 60,000 images. You only need to do this once and then create a collection, which you can then filter further using the LR Filter Bar.
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Hi All,

I can only reiterate what I said in my previous post. It is a bug which we intend to fix, and once it is fixed, your images will automatically be fixed without you having to do anything. I would not suggest that you invest any time into manually fixing the feathering of clone spots (unless of course you're outputting a particular image right now and need it to look right).

If any of what I've said here changes, I will update this thread.

Thanks,
Ben
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Well that's true Ben, but as you said, when you have photos to edit for clients, and the issue needs to be addressed asap, we are thankful there is a work around so that we can move forward without out waiting for an undetermined amount of time.

This thread has been most helpful in addressing the issue. :)
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When LR5 was still in Beta and the Spot Healing Tool gained the Advanced Healing Brush feature, I campaigned heavily on the LR5 Beta Forum for the addition of a "Feather" slider. The new tool was in dire need of such a control, as the Advanced Healing Brush tool brushstrokes had borders that were way too sharp and defined, where as the "classic" Spot Healing repairs had softened edges that progressively feathered as the brush size was increased.

I can see for myself some older images in my catalog with "classic" spot repairs that exhibit this bug, and hope that a simple bug fix will take care of it (such as setting the default feathering of all classic spot repairs to some value substantially higher than 0). The "Feather" slider is an awesome addition to the Spot Repair and Advanced Healing Tool otherwise, and I hope that others will find it as useful as I do.
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For those of you going ahead and fixing legacy image Feathering "manually" the 'Visualize Spots' option in the Spot Removal bottom toolbar makes it much easier to find the clone/heal spots. You may also want to temporarily undo any Crop settings (CTRL+ALT+R).

From what I can see (~150 images fixed) there is no way that simply applying a "fixed" Feathering setting (75, 50, 25 or whatever) is going to work when importing an older LR catalog with images edited in LR5.0 and earlier versions. On some images it was easier to simply start over using the new Spot Removal tools, which behave quite differently.
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Maybe a toggle switch or checkbox needs to be added to the Spot Removal UI in the next update to switch between "Classic" edge blending (LR4 and earlier) or manually adjustable feathering as seen in LR5.2
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Hi,

I see that this is listed as resolved in the release notes, but does LR 5.3 RC resolve this issue for existing LR4 images/catalogs that were already upgraded with LR 5.2, with no manual edits required, or do we need to find a way to go back and re-upgrade our LR4 catalog and then merge any edits that took place in LR5.2?

Thanks
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I updated all of my LR4 and earlier edited images manually using LR5.2. None of my images were edited in LR5.0. What I discovered is that with the new Feathering capability clone spots no longer behave the same as LR4 and earlier versions. See this post as to possibly why:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/56994...

I couldn't find one setting value (25%, 50%, 75%) that made ALL of the spots look "good." With the ability to now "click-and-drag" the spot tool it is easier to just start over on many images. Even when updating an existing unconverted LR4 catalog I seriously doubt it is possible to do this conversion "automatically" with good results on all images.

YMMV

You can use AnyFilter or Data Explorer LR plugins to filter images with spot removal applied:

http://www.johnrellis.com/lightroom/a...

http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-good...
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Todd, I agree. After my post, I upgraded to 5.3RC and it did resolve the "Feather set to 0" issue, however the spots still don't look the same as they did in LR4. It looks like there were more changes made to the spot healing/clone tool in addition to the new feather control.

I used the new functionality to correct a couple of images relatively quickly, but I still think Adobe should revise this so that existing images continue to look like they did pre-5.2 upgrade. It's going to be difficult to notice all of the potential issues when doing a quick export of older images.

On a side note, Data Explorer, with the focus set to All Photographs, is only identifying 4 images as having the clone tool used (3 that have been modified since the upgrade to 5.x). I have many more images than this where that tool was used, so either I'm doing something wrong or the plugin isn't searching correctly for that criteria - might be a 5.3RC issue. I'll contact Jeffrey.