Lightroom: LR 4.2 - Refresh metadata doesn't work for GPS data

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I imported some jpg files to LR, then used an external geotagging program to fill in the GPS data (Lat and Long). I then used the option to right-click on the folder and refresh metadata. However, this hasn't worked as the GPS data is still not showing. It definitely is embedded and is visible when the files are viewed from other programs (including PSE!) - but LR doesn't see it. I have tried restarting LR and have repeated the Refresh Metadata exercise. It still makes no difference.

Help!
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Hi Brian,

Which external geotagging application did you use?
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I've checked and the jpegs that I geotagged also show the position fine in Paintshop Pro 14. It seems to be only LR that has this problem. Will you be fixing it?
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I have a similar problem with 4.2

1. I use a Nikon D700 shooting NEF. My attached GPS is an "EasyTag" device
2. When I import images into LR it fails to show GPS co-ordinates and altitude in metadata pane. Therefore I am unable to click that image into the Map module.
3. When I open Bridge, low & behold the GPS co-ordinates and altitude are shown.
4. LR will recognise the GPS when I drag the image onto the map
5. When I use GeoSetter (out of frustration) that programme behaves and I can do whatever with my images.
6. I have tried new presets, edit, save, read, delete to no avail.
7. I have also converted to DNG, no go either.
8. My system is Windows 7 64bit

Steve
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Could you guys post affected files somewhere we could download to try and reproduce? (Dropbox, etc)
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Hi Jeff,
If you could tell me where to send (is e-mail okay?)

Steve
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Here's a couple that had GPS data added after import to LR (and the Sync Folder option was then run):

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pjaga7hvkk...

As said previously, these have GPS data that is visible in all other programs that I've tried, but not in LR. However, I've noticed that files which had GPS data added before import to LR show it OK.

It's the 'Synchronise Folder' function that seems to be broken.
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Hi Brian,

The problem is that you should be using Lightroom to add the GPS metadata. (I kid, I kid. But you do know Lightroom can do that, right?)

Let me make sure I understand the issue correctly:

Scenario A
1. You add GPS metadata to a photo using another application.
2. You import the photo into Lightroom.
Result: The photo's GPS metadata shows in Lightroom correctly.

Scenario B
1. You import a photo into Lightroom.
2. You add GPS metadata to that photo using another application.
3. You synchronize the folder.
Result: The photo's GPS metadata does not show in Lightroom.

Is that correct? If so, what happens if you do this instead:

Scenario C
1. You import a photo into Lightroom.
2. You add GPS metadata to that photo using another application.
3. You select the photo in Lightroom and choose Metadata>Read Metadata From File.
Result: ?

Thanks,
Ben
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Hi Jeff,
I've been 'playing' and found that when I delete the XMP file within Windows Explorer LR will then recognise the correct GPS (obviously from the Exif) within the image. I can these click arrow to Map module and insert correctly.

Question....Based on this is there something I'm not doing right when I set up a metadata preset for personal info including ticking the GPS section?

Steve
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Hi Steve,

"Question....Based on this is there something I'm not doing right when I set up a metadata preset for personal info including ticking the GPS section?"

If I understand you correctly, yes, you are doing something wrong: do not tick the GPS section!

When making a metadata preset, selecting the checkbox for any field means that that field will be overwritten with whatever info you specify in the preset. If you specify nothing, then that field will get blanked. So, by creating a metadata preset in which you have selected the checkbox for GPS, you are telling Lightroom that you want it to blank out the GPS values in any photos you import. Just leave the GPS field UNchecked in any metadata preset you make, and Lightroom will leave it alone, and honor any GPS values that your photos contain at the time of import.

-Ben
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Hi Ben,
A bit more 'playing'...............
1. I deleted all XMP's from one of my folders
2. I then selected ALL images in that folder
3. Then went to Metadata save/read......chose Read
4. ALL images then displayed Exif info with GPS etc
My camera Exif had been set up to show name copyright etc. This too was shown.
BUT I needed the extra Metadata info................
5. I then checked my Metadata preset as you suggested (no GPS ticked) made sure all my other info was there okay.
6. Entered this preset....lo & behold my GPS stayed with me AND my preset IPTC had also been updated.

Now what I suggest and this is what I will do in future .....Import the bare bones image with Exif making sure GPS co-ordinates are locked in to LR then & only then add my IPTC over the top.

Perhaps LR has a glitch in the order it understands Exif / XMP's. What do you think.

Steve
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Hi Steve,

So you're saying that you have a metadata preset, and if you apply this metadata preset at the time of import, it overwrites the GPS metadata in the files, but if you apply the same preset after import, it does not? If that's the case, can you send me the preset? You can upload the preset to dropbox.com or yousendit.com, or a similar service, and then paste the link in here. To find the preset in the first place:

1. Go to Edit>Preferences.
2. In the Preferences dialog, click the "Presets" tab.
3. Click the "Show Lightroom Presets Folder..."
4. Go into the Lightroom Presets folder, then into the Metadata Presets folder.
5. Any metadata presets you've made will be in there. Select the appropriate one, and send it to me.

Thanks,
Ben
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Hello Steve,

I had a similar problem.The GPS data was not imported in LR 5
I used a metadata preset for my Canon Powershot S100
When I imported te same picture without the metadata preset all works fine !
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In the metadata preset, double check you don't have the GPS field checked but empty. That would remove any existing GPS data.
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Thank you! That was the problem. All works fine now
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Hi Ben

Scenario A and B - your assumptions are correct. Scenario C - it works! And I can select several photos and select 'choose Metadata>Read Metadata From File' and that works.

I'm a happy camper. It's just the folder sync that doesn't work. But now I know the Read Metadata From File' trick I can use that.

This leads to a question, however. Being relatively new to LR, I'd assumed that all metadata that was capable of being kept in the file would be kept in the file and LR wouldn't try to duplicate that. Apparently that isn't the case. Is there some documentation somewhere that explains this stuff?
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You can probably do that with folder sync too. Look at the bottom option in the folder sync dialog.
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Brian Abbott

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That's the problem! Even when the bottom option is ticked, location data doesn't sync.
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I'm in same the same boat! The only way out appear to follow workflow as in SCenario C.

My burning problem with workflow in Scenario C is that once folder sync done, how to determine which jpegs have not their metadata read / synced so will need 'read metadata from file' action?

For example, 5 out of 10 jepgs have had GPS added by external program (geosetter) after they were imported into LR. Now older sync done but won't give warning that GPS data from 5 files are not updated. How to find out which files LR need to be forced to read metadata from file?
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Hi Brian,

Glad that the metadata read command is working correctly for you. Sounds like we have a problem with synchronize folder not picking up changes to the GPS metadata, I'll investigate that.

Thanks,
Ben
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Brian,

"This leads to a question, however. Being relatively new to LR, I'd assumed that all metadata that was capable of being kept in the file would be kept in the file and LR wouldn't try to duplicate that. Apparently that isn't the case."

The Lightroom catalog stores *all* information about your photos in its catalog. Much of that information can also be stored in the photo's metadata (or XMP sidecar file, in the case of raws) if you wish. By default, Lightroom stores info about your photos only in its catalog, and does not write that info back into the photos.

"Is there some documentation somewhere that explains this stuff?"

Yes, the Lightroom user manual. :-) I would start with "About Lightroom Catalogs" (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom...) and "About metadata and XMP" (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom...).

Thanks,
Ben
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Hi Ben, Jeff,
I think I have solved my problem...........Use it or lose it!.....
1. I took 4 images with GPS
2. On importing into LR the images showed balloon for GPS and also co-ordinates were displayed.
3. I picked my meta data preset
4. When I clicked onto each individual image I looked at the Exif/IPTC and saw that it displayed correctly.
5. What I did different this time (and I should have done it in the first place) I noticed Meta data Status told me "It had changed"
6. I then clicked the icon next to it to "resolve conflict" ............Hey it worked perfectly.

So thanks Ben, thanks Jeff for your patience

Steve
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Hi Brian,

I am not able to reproduce the problem with synchronize folder not picking up GPS metadata. What external program did you use to add the GPS metadata to the photos? And when synchronizing the folder, did you make sure to check "Scan for metadata updates" in the Synchronize Folder dialog?

Thanks,
Ben
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Hi Ben

http://gps4cam.com/

As mentioned earlier in the thread, LR is the only program that I've tried that doesn't pick it up.

yes, 'scan for metadata updates' was checked (it is by default)