Lightroom: Read and write video metadata into video or sidecar

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The new Video part is great! I really like the previews.It is a great addition to sort and tag your video's. Only one problem:The tagging system doesn't work properly, it doesn't store the tags in the video-files like it is possible with the photo's. I hope this will be working in the Final.
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The fact that LR can't save metadata to video files is a severe limitation and makes it next to useless for video processing. I don't understand really why? Bridge can do it, why not Lightroom? I understand that there maybe performance penalties but that can be dealt with by some "batch syncing" to files.
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In reality, the video was taken last week. The camera is a Samsung TL350, so it is not that old, and the files are in MP4 format. Attached are two screenshots, one showing Lightroom's idea that the video is from 1945, and another from Windows showing that the file was created on 1/29/2013 at 6 pm.

Is there at least a workaround for this? Right now, I have to copy these files manually, or Lightroom puts them in wacky folders based on random, ancient dates.



This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom thinks my camera took videos 68 years ago.
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From the original thread:

LR has problems creating folders organized by capture time (there are other threads here and in the user-to-user forum on that topic).

Finally, that the time is off by 68 years indicates a very specific bug, the use of a 32- bit variable rather than a 64-bit variable to hold a time value. A signed 32-bit integer can only represent the number of seconds equivalent to +/- 68 years. There was a similar bug in LR 3 for Mac:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/3701469
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Already to 5.3 RC and no change... It won't even read basic media info that is easy to read using exiftool.

It continues to be frustrating the Adobe cannot seem to spare the resources to handle some of this basic metadata support. Just look at the endless and as of yet unanswered requests for better keyword management too.

-louie
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Like Louis, I'm on 5.3, and cannot manage my videos correctly. The Capture Time is all messed up, and there is a LOT of manual editing required. Then, even after i manually update the capture time, the file renaming function pulls from date/time digitized, so then there's more manual work required. Very frustrating!
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Question maybe its been covered. when importing stills and video from my Canon power shot G15. the stills will have for example exif date and time 09:00am (time taken) but if I have a video shortly after say taken at 9:05am the create date may show 09:05 but exif has a 4 hr difference of 13:05. I looked at video file in Canon software and don't see a issue. just when looking at LR catalog listing I have to alter time for the .MOV files. I tried test with my 60D and 70D and it appears to be ok. anyone else have this problem? Is it LR6CC or me?
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Adobe has acknowledged they never finished their support of video metadata in LR.
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It is too bad that Adobe seems to be unable to marshal any resources to address this issue or any other metadata enhancements.
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Same here. Lightroom 5.3 and struggling hard to work with capture time for my videos. Things get even more complicated when trying to export videos to flickr since flickr is not very good either, at handling capture date...
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It is frustrating when importing gigabytes of pictures & videos to have to then manually sort of the video dates!
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I never used to use LR for managing videos until recently. I was surprised, like everyone else here, that LR doesn't deal with metadata for videos at all.

1. At minimum, it should save title, description and year.
2. If the video format doesn't support meta-data, write it into the XMP (or even just skip it, I wouldn't care in those cases). Most modern video formats support it though (mov, mp4, m4v).
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Amazing they haven't done anything yet about this.
I feel I may have lost a lot of time tagging my videos.
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I also would like to be able to change the "Date Digitised" Metadata.
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I'm using Lightroom 4 and would really appreciate if Adobe allowed metadata to be written to the video files. The preset should work for BOTH photo and video. Please HELP!
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Seriously.... This ****** sucks, Picasa3 wich is free doesn't have this kind of junk problems.... Hate this sucker software.....
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LR6 - I import a video, include it in a Slideshow. If the date is shown, it is the date imported, not the date the video was shot. Using exiftool, I set every date in the metadata to the date it was shot (including the file creation date), reimported it - same result. LR6 just can't get it right. How many releases does it take to get this right?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can Lightroom write metadata to video files or associated XMP files?.

Why doesn't Lightroom write metadata to video files or xmp side car files associated with video files? I'd like to write common IPTC metadata to my still and video images from my DSLR at the same time. It appears any metadata associated with a video file (.mov from and Nikon D4 in my case) is only available in the Lightroom Catalog. I need it to be available in other applications as I share the file. I've done some testing and Photo Mechanic creates an XMP file which is read by other applications.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lens & Camera Metadata for Videos Missing in Lightroom 4..

Basic information like lens & camera are missing in Lightroom for video files. Specifically the D800 and S100 camera. The information is available in the files and can be seen using exiftool. It would be great to have this information available in Lightroom to search.

Further, the Video Frame Rate & Video Dimensions is picked up for the D800 but not the S100. It would also be great to be able to search of these two fields as well (in the Library Filter).
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Video import and metadata support for Sony Cameras. (Feature Request).

The Sony RX series (or at least my RX100 m3) stores its movie files in a separate folder from the pictures. Every time I import photos I have to make sure I've gone into that folder and manually dragged and dropped in the videos as well. The videos also come with some separate files that contain all the metadata for the videos. It'd be great if those could be auto-imported as well and used to fill in metadata for the movies.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom: Is there a plugin or fix so that Lightroom 4.2 will read/write metadat....

Is there a plugin or fix so that Lightroom 4.2 will read/write metadata to video? I purchased Lightroom as the next evolution from using Google Picasa. But I'm finding my albums showing up in weird order, with videos sometimes pulling in correct date and other names wrong date and ending up at end of sequence (and thus out-of-order).

Not cool for organizing personal collections of photos/video.

Having just spent a fair amount of money for Lightroom, I'm not inclined to go back (plus I like the RAW support). But this seems like an easy fix and that should be fixed? But it seems like this problem has existed since LR3?

Sort of confusing to me for such a high-end program.
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The date format recorded in many video file formats uses UTC time with a timezone offset. Lightroom simply ignores this. So all my iPhone .MOV files get a date/time recorded in Lightroom as the unadjusted UTC also known as GMT.

This means for me in the PST/PDT timezone all my videos are in Lightroom as 8 or 9 hours earlier than all my images taken at the same time. It got really confusing because I rename my files on import with the capture time so any movie taken after 4 or 5 PM got the date as tomorrow since the UTC time had passed midnight.

I have concluded that video support in Lightroom is barely sufficient for any thing other than basic viewing.
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The problem with .mov files is that the QuickTime specification "strongly recommends" that dates/times be stored in UTC, and the specification doesn't provide a place to store the time zone. So there's no 100% correct way that LR could recognize the time zone of a QuickTime file.

But if LR assumed that the video was captured in the same time zone as the computer in which LR is running, it would greatly reduce the number of times users have to shift the capture time after import. LR could also compare the filesystem create and modified dates of the file with the capture time in the metadata to guess the time zone of capture (since the filesystem dates are in the local time of the device that captured it).

But given Adobe's complete lack of attention to video metadata since video was added to LR 4, I think it's unlikely that LR will ever correctly handle QuickTime video dates.

See this bug report for more details: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

(Shame on Apple, and on all engineers, including the authors of the original EXIF, for not including time zones in their designs.)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Metadata tagging from LR to Premiere, etc..

Make Prelude like functionality a part of Lightroom or vice versa and making LR the input/entry Metadata manager. No reason why LR couldn't do for video what it does for stills, ie. add a few basic features, like brightness and contrast, metadata tagging, and allow you to do the 'ingest' and Prelude like functions as well. Goal is to have one metadata tagging location and have it flow to all products.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom video metadata support.

When will Lightroom import/show metadata present in video files (like EXIF)?

At least items available as file rename tokens (during import) should be supported, like when importing photo.
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There will be some bug fixes in this area in the next release update (lr 6.4), particularly for customers who shoot videos using Canon, Fuji and Panasonic cameras. There is no industry standard to store EXIF in the .mov/.mp4 video file formats.

Vendors such like Canon, Fuji and Panasonic decided to store EXIF in their own proprietary formats for videos. It took a while for the Lightroom team to talk to each vendors to get their blessing to expose those EXIF video metadata.
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Around the time before the release of the 5D3, Canon stopped creating the .thm files which had a lot of useful metadata. It will be really helpful to be able to have access to that information again.

While your at it would you please add some code to correctly evaluate Quicktime date/time that include a timezone offset. It seems that all iPhone videos use the UTC date/time with a timezone offset. Lightroom currently ignores the timezone and uses the raw UTC data/time which messes up capture time sorts and file renaming if based on date/time.

It seems logical that if the date/time has an timezone offset that Lightroom should use that to calculate the internal date/time. If the internal date/time does not have a timezone offset then default to the local system timezone.

tks,

-louie
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"There is no industry standard to store EXIF in the .mov/.mp4 video file formats."

I'm confused by this -- the QuickTime and MPEG-4 standards do define how to store metadata. In addition, Adobe's "XMP Specification Part 3: Storage in Files" (July 2010) explicitly defines how to embed arbitrary XMP metadata within dynamic media formats like QuickTime (.mov) and MPEG-4 (.mp4) and in video package formats like AVCHD, Panasonic's P2, and Sony's formats.

Nothing would stop Lightroom from using the exact same approach it uses for industry-standard image formats (TIFF, JPEG, PNG) and proprietary camera raw formats:

- For industry-standard formats (e.g. QuickTime and MPEG-4), if a metadata field is defined by the standard, write back changes to that field. Otherwise, write the field to embedded XMP.

- For proprietary formats, read field values from the format but store changes in an XMP sidecar.
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What seems to be odd though is that the same vendor (Adobe) seems to have a product that handles writing video metadata just fine. I regularly use Adobe Bridge to do this. I can't say for sure it works with all vendors but I haven't had problems with video formats (.wmv, .mov, .mp4) from Apple, Canon, and Nokia as well as those videos created with Adobe Encoder. Why that can't same functionality be made available in LR beats me. If there are some "purist" objections because of "non-standard" methods, make it optional.
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I was referring to read/writing EXIF metadata standard for video.
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Can you say more about what you mean by "EXIF" here? Technically, the EXIF specification doesn't say anything about video, just still images and audio.

Do you mean that there isn't a single, widely accepted specification for metadata fields that would be populated by video-capturing cameras (exposure, lens information, frame rate, etc.), as there is for still cameras?
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Hi John, Canon for example provides a lot of useful metadata about the video via the .thm sidecar file (really a JPEG thumbnail). Lr really depended on the presence of .thm to get most of the video metadata, such as camera make, model, lens info and capture time etc. Without the .thm and without Lr being able to understand the proprietary EXIF format stored in the videos generated by Canon, Fuji or Panasonic camera (the only camera vendors that does this as far as we know), Lr used to drop the video metadata on the floor.

The fix would be at least be able to read those video metadata as much as the vendor willing to support for such scenarios. The writing of video metadata is another beast. LR is certainly not going to support writing back the metadata in the proprietary EXIF blocks.
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Understood. That's why the same approach used for proprietary raw files could apply to videos: read the metadata from the various industry standard and proprietary formats, write back to industry standard formats, write back to sidecars for proprietary formats.
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>If exiftool can do it Adobe surely do a better job
That is a myth :-). Big companies like Adobe needs to follow the rules. Adobe cannot reverse engineer some other companies proprietary implementation without the legal clearance and cooperation from the respective vendors. There is a very big difference here.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Read/write metadata from file doesn't work for videos.

Lightroom doesn't allow users to read or write video metadata from or back to a file. This is a problem, especially since videos I imported a while ago aren't displaying the camera make and model.

I'd like to read the metadata from the video files, but Lightroom doesn't allow me to do so. Instead, I need to remove these video files from my library and import them again, losing the rating, labels, and location metadata I had already applied to them.

There's no reason why this feature should be disabled for video files. Also, it should be possible to write video metadata to sidecar .XMP files.
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Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  I have to imagine that this is coming soon!