Lightroom: LR 4 user interface, and Develop slider response very sluggish

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Hi,

I updated from LR3 to LR4.0 yesterday and I observe a significant delay when I move sliders in the develop module. the delay exceeds often one second. It is not possible to use LR4 with this behavior. In LR3 no such delay happened.
I use WIN64 ultra a quad core @ 2.83GHz. 4MB RAM.
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I made similar observations and like to give some more details:
I have an Intel Core i3 2100 CPU, 8GB RAM, SSD (on which LR is installed) and a dual monitor setup (and Win7 x64 btw). I know that my CPU isn't the fastest, but in LR3 I didn't have any problems working decently.

What I do observe in LR4 is this:
Initally (i.e. when starting to edit a photo from scratch in the develop module), the sliders work well. I do notice however, that the lag to update the second monitor is noticable longer in LR4 compared to LR3.
But as soon as the edit gets more complicated - i.e. using noise reduction, lens corrections and some local adjusments, LR4 just gets really slow and dragging the sliders will take time (until it just gets frustrating). This is a problem that I never experienced with LR3 on the same machine.

The really disappoint thing about this is, that of course I can upgrade my CPU to an Intel Core i5 quad core, but I can't do that on my laptop. So I guess I can just forget about even trying to use LR4 on my older laptop whereas LR3 just worked fine.

Is there any hope that LR4 will become more responsive with future updates?
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Additional info: I use of course 4GB RAM ;)
The extreme delay is also related to the use of a second monitor.
But without the second screen LR4 still behaves pretty rough. (would be almost acceptable for a freeware tool)
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Same problem here. The problem only exists when working with an converted LR3 cataolg! When using a newly created catalog it works as fast as ever.
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Yes, I can confirm, it only happens with a converted catalogue. On another photography forum I found more user that have the same issue with a converted catalogue.
Andreas: Can you change the title to something more specific like : "LR4 extremly slow when working with a catalogue converted from LR3"? Maybe it attracts more attention and is easier to nail down then.
LR4.0 should have been Beta 2!
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Same issue here. I have reverted back to 3.6 as the latency makes LR4 too painful/difficult to use. I have tried suggested workarounds but none have helped (32-bit Win7 platform).

Edit: Should note that I have tried both with converted catalogs, and also did full uninstall and tried with "virgin" install (not over the beta) and with with a new catalog after reinstall.
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After further testing, I can say that the suggested workaround from the forum of converting a single image to DNG (and reverting to JPEG) has greatly improved performance. Though it still lags LR3.6, it is now at least usable. I do run into the out-of-memory error when LR4 memory usage gets up over 1GB (on 32-bit Win7) though memory is still available. LR4 definitely chews up more resources than 3.6.
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@Timo
although the issue with the converted catalog is the most annoying one, the overall performance in terms of responsiveness is not satisfying. So i would like to leave the topic as general as it is...
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I agree as I see the same performance after reinstalling and not converting an old catalog with the new installation.
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Slider responsiveness is really sluggish. There is no delay before it reacts, but it just updates not often enough. I get maybe 2-3 screen redraws per second, if I constantly move the exposure slider. If the secondary view is enabled, the screen redraw on this monitor is even slower. It lags behind the primary monitor.
If you have made some local adjustments and have zoomed into the picture, panning around is very slow and stuttering, even with no secondary monitor/secondary view. That said, LR3 isn ́t faster.
I`m using a Q6600/2,8Ghz, 8GB RAM, Geforce 470GTX, WIN7 64bit. Adobe should take a look at Capture One`S OpenCL (I`m sure they did). It works so much more fluid on screen.
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LR4 is very slugish in its user interface response - slider bars dont drag smoothly; drawing photo on screen is slow; refreshing screen when moving to next photo is slow.

I have spent about 10 hours fiddling including doing a complete system restore. I will report findings but here are system specs:

i7 950 Quad core OC'd to 3.9Ghz - rock solid.
24Gb RAM using Mushkin Black OCd to 1800Mhz - rock solid
C: is RAID 0 on Intel Sata2 Controller, running two OCZ Vertex3 120Gb SSD
Scratch drive is mushkin Max Iops 240Gb SATA3 SSD on SATA3 controller
Photo directory is on 4Tb partition (two WD Caviar Black drives in RAID 0 on intel SATA2)
Three displays but LR running on two - powered by two MSI GTX 570 cards OCd by about 20% - rock solid - have SLI disabled

Both Lr3 and Lr4 repond much quicker when second display is turned off. Lr3 is easily usable with second display running - Lr4 is very sluggish.

I never installed beta version of Lr4. I have uninstalled Lr4, re-installed. Did system backup recovery from before installing Lr4. Tried Lr3 only. Tried Lr4 only. Ran versions side by side. Tried sharing catalog. Tried seperate catalogs. Virgin import to LR4 to make brand new catalog. Does not matter - almost identical performance problem with LR4 (compared to LR3) under all conditions.

Here is where I left it:

I now have LR3.6 and LR4 in side-by-side installs with completely seperate libraries and referencing duplicate data on the same partition. Without a doubt, LR4 is much, much more slugish than Lr3. Here is the kicker: I created a 12Gb ram disk and copied one of my folders with RAW images in it. When reading these images, LR4 does move more quickly than when reading identical files off the RAID 0 photos drive. However, the improvement is nominal and remails, very obvioudly slugish. In comparision, LR3 reading the same files from the Ram disk is much faster - tiny bit of lag.

The problems cannot have anything to do with hardware limitations or file sizes. There is something about LR4 that is grinding down its responsiveness.

One other observation. If I develop a photo then immediately go to close Lr4, it always gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." If I wait 5 seconds or so before attempting to close Lr4, I dont get the error. This error is 100% reproducible in every situation I have tried including in a brand new Lr4 made catalog with just one image in it! I cant get this error to occur on Lr3 even with my catalogue of over 30,000 pictures.

It really seems like Lr4 is working very hard at doing something, but what the heck it is working at I cant say.

Kirk

PS. Once an image is cached, LR4 much more responsive - still slower than Lr3, but usable.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom 4 user interface slider response very sluggish.
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Same issue here, very very slow compared to LR3.6
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If I develop a photo then immediately go to close Lr4, it always gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." If I wait 5 seconds or so before attempting to close Lr4, I dont get the error. This error is 100% reproducible in every situation I have tried including in a brand new Lr4 made catalog with just one image in it! I cant get this error to occur on Lr3 even with my catalogue of over 30,000 pictures.

It really seems like Lr4 is working very hard at doing something, but what the heck it is working at I cant say.

Add my voice to the group of people that think it is time for Adobe to jump into this thread even if for no other reason than to let us know they have heard our complaints/concerns and are looking into the issues.
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Lr4 gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." when I close Lr4 immediately after developing photo.

Am I the only one?
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Sluggish here too. I noticed no such problem with the beta but now it is very slow and hesitant (since I imported and converted my LR3.6 catalog.)

Win764bit dual core etc.

edited to add: I've uninstalled and reinstalled, I've tried creating a new catalog. Same symptoms each time.
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Sluggish here too. Until I tried this : I did create a brand new catalog in LR4. Here are the steps:
I imported a LR3 catalog named "catalog_3" in LR4.
It made a "catalog_3-2" catalog with format LR4 : slow responses.
Now I create an empty new catalog in LR4 named "catalog_LR4".
I import the "catalog_3-2" catalog.
After almost 20 minutes, the import finishes with an error "Unable to import this catalog", or something like that. No matter.
All works fine now, all LR4 is very responsive.

Win7 64bit 3 cores Amd, 8Mo...

Can somebody else try that ? I agree, it is only a workaround, and the bug is still here, behind a tree, or the desk.

Hope it helps, at least to continue to work immediatly.
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I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately the imported catalog has the same sluggish performance...
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Elusive bug, indeed. Hope Adobe is working on it.
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Same here.
Performance is very slow compared to LR3.6.

I am using av 2011 Mac mini, Core i7 with Intel SSD and 16GB RAM.
Mac OS 10.7.3.

Camera RAW cache is set to 20GB on the SSD.

Edit:
For me the problem seems to disappear when I choose to use one monitor only.
My usual setup is dual monitors with "Loupe" view on the second monitor.

All the sliders respond quickly in single monitor mode.

Rendering the preview for my second monitor seems to require a lot of cpu power with the current version of Lr4.

Lr3 was fine in dual monitor mode. All the sliders responded smoothly without any lag.

For me this is a big issue as I always have my second monitor set to "Loupe" view.
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I did some further testing too and can say this: As said before, it helps to run LR4 with a new catalog and not convert one from LR3. But even with a new catalog performance is not as good as in LR3.6. With a fresh catalog I can develop my Nikon RAW files at acceptable speed most of the time. But my Olympus RAW files are still sluggish and a pain in the a**. (Somehow Olympus RAWs are more complex to reder than Nikon RAWs. I noticed that with LR3.6 already - but it was still very workable, and with other software too.)
All in all, I'm waiting for LR4.1 and hope that these issues as well as others will be addressed. Right now, I cannot use LR4 productivly and Adobe should be ashamed of what they released as the final version. It should still be considered Beta, not even Release Candidate.
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I tried a workaround posted elsewhere and it greatly improved things for me. I converted a single RAW file to DNG - yes, just one - and reverted back to save as JPEG. LR4 is still somewhat slower than 3.6 but this improved response on my machine (32-bit Win7). Bizarre, but it worked.

Dave
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Same issue here. I'm running an i7 920 @ 2.67 GHz and 6 GB of RAM under Win 7 64-bit, LR software stored on SSD. I had uninstalled LR 4 beta before installing the final release.

It got somewhat better after I killed the Windows Media Network Sharing Service, but still this is UNUSABLE!

Things get better when using a single monitor, but I have purchased my 2nd screen for a reason!

Working with a fresh catalogue is not seriously an option for me - as far as I know many things are not saved in the XMP files.

Adobe, please FIX this asap! What you are currently selling is beta software!
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INITIAL PROBLEM: Upon initial install, Lightroom 4 was unusably slow in every aspect. Every operation–even simply selecting an image in grid-view required waiting several seconds before the new selection would highlight. Sliders and more process intensive operations lagged so much as to make the software almost useless for working with my images. There are many postings on the Adobe Forum describing similar behavior by other users.

SOMETHING CHANGED: Based on one forum suggestion, I selected a single image from one of my image folders and converted that file to DNG format (LR Menu: Library/Convert Photo to DNG...). After processing just this one image, Lightroom 4 now seems to respond as fast as LR3 had previously, with one exception: When I have my second monitor display turned on in LR, the program responds more sluggishly than when I turn it off. This never happened in LR3. The slow-down is significant enough that I must turn off the second display option in LR4 when I am making development adjustments.

Note: When I made my DNG image I selected "Camera Raw 6.6 and later compatibility" and checked "embed fast load data".

My catalog consists of many Canon raw (mostly cr2) files, along with JPEGs and a smattering of other formats. It is quite large-over 100,000 images-but has run fine on Lightroom 3. Process versions vary, with many using the 2010 process, and some now using the 2012 process version.

SYSTEM INFO:
- Apple MacBook Pro 2011 with 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7 processor and 8 GB of DDR3 ram
- Graphics are from an AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
- Running Mac OS X 10.7.3
- 480 GB SSD SATA Drive

This is a real issue for a lot of people who are now genuinely frustrated with LR4, many of whom probably aren't voicing their issues on forums and bug reports. You really need to push out some information to your customers if you want them to have the desired user experience. This one almost had me scrambling for other product solutions.

Thanks,

-George Murphy

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom 4 Unusably Slow on Initial Install - One Fix Seems to Help.
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Nice tip George and it did have some effect even though the software is still not up to speed with LR 3.6. I consider LR 4 unusable for the moment and have reverted to LR 3.6 and hope for a quick update from Adobe.

SYSTEM INFO:
- Dell Studio XPS 435 MT
- 2.67GHz Intel Core i7 920 and 9 GB DDR3 RAM
- Graphics ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
- 640 GB Serial ATA Drive
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Regards,
Bjorn
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George, I am right there with you in what you say. Seeing exactly the same myself with my (MBP with) dual-monitor set-up. My conclusion so far is in this thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/971581...

i.e. the LR4 unworkably slow problem is a combination of import-as-catalog LR3.6 images AND dual monitor/loupe mode.

(after having done the single image convert to DNG trick).

My MBP monitor is 1920x1200 and my external monitor is 30" 2560x1600.
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That DNG trick didn't change anything for me.

Apart from that,I wholeheartedly agree with George!
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Same issue here on an i7 870 (2.93GHz; 4 cores + HT), 12GB RAM, Win7 64 SP1. I have created a fresh catalog for LR4 (for testing purposes), and previously had LR4 beta installed on the same machine, but uninstalled it before installing the release version.

Lightroom 4 is less responsive than 3.6, even for identical settings and using PV2010 (10MP DNG, but similar for other types). Responsiveness is slightly decreased with PV2012 and significantly worse with the second monitor on loupe view.

Purely by observing the response to slider movements, it seems there are (at least) three processes that run in parallel, in order of decreasing priority:
1) slider movement and histogram
2) main display update
3) secondary display update

On LR3.6, (1) and (2) are nearly indistinguishable: when the histogram is updated, the main image always follows very soon. Furthermore, when I constantly move the sliders, keeping the CPU busy with (1) and (2), the secondary display is only updated occasionally. The secondary loupe display does not visibly impact responsiveness, suggesting that (3) is done in spare cycles only.

On LR4 (secondary display disabled) the update of the main window occasionally 'stutters' noticeably after the sliders and histogram have been updated, making it harder to position the sliders correctly.
This gets significantly worse when the secondary display is enabled. As with LR3.6, the secondary display update (3) initially seems to have a lower priority than (1) and (2), but once it starts it blocks them entirely. The sliders stop responding while the secondary display is being updated. On my machine (not too slow, I'd say) this behaviour makes the loupe view in the develop module effectively unusable.
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Same here. Very disappointing performance for a release software, much slower than LR3. I have tried the DNG convert suggestion above but no change.

Mac OS 10.6.8; 2 x 2.4 quad core, 24GB ram, solid state drives.

It may well work fine with newly created LR4 catalogues but who is going to be happy throwing away all the work they've put into their LR3 catalogues?
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My version of LR4 is unacceptably slow and the sliders are not responsive to my mouse. The noise removal sliders seem the worst and often cause the screen to flash - or for a message to say the software is not responding.

Tony
London UK

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LR4 slowness.
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Hi,
Same probem here...
I7, quadro 4000, 12 gig ram, converted database from LR3.5 (didn't do 3.6)

From reading here, my conclusion is whatever the computer we have (more or less ram, processor, os....), the problem stays the same LR4 is getting slower and slower over use.

Memory leak ? overflow?....

I guess we alll have just to wait for an update......
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2.7GHz i7 / 6GB (Lenovo G770)

MS Win Home Premium 64-bit

LR4 64-bit

Extremely slow ... click an image to enlarge and I can almost watch the screen redrawing. Touch any slider, but perhaps especially denoise, and the fan comes on full blast and the whole machine slows; Export 6 2048*1536 jpegs - takes 20 seconds and CPUs at 100% much of the time; single click on a filmstrip image - 80-90% CPU; animated activity icon is whirring for almost any activity I care to try.

Catalogue is < 3K images at the moment. I always build 1:1s on import; the slowness is the same whether I edit newly imported images or images which were already in the catalogue from LR 3.6

LR3.6 was fine on the same machine.with the same catalogue.

I have to say I didn't notice this level of poor performance with the beta, but then I didn't try to import all my old images either ...
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I'm editing tons of photos today, some are from before my Update to LR4. The ones I edit with the 2012 process are dead slow to edit, slow to build previews, slow to crop.
Then I opened up a folder that already had it's previews build under LR3.6 and started editing with process 2010, but in 4.
And it's like I was using LR 3.6 again - editing just flies, no waiting times at all. These are files from a folder that's in a converted catalog...
Win 64bit, 8 Gigs, Quad-Core...