Lightroom Classic: Horizontal flip, opens upside down after "Edit In Photoshop"

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In Lightroom CC Classic v8.2 I have an image that I flipped horizontally.
Then I 'open in Photoshop'  (version 20.0.3) and it is upside down.
If I rorate 180 degrees, then it shows correctly.

It is not clear if the fault is with LR or PS.

Windows 10
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I updated PS to 20.0.4 and the problem remains. Also, a vertically flipped image is rotated 180 degrees.

Source file was a CR2 raw file from Canon 70D, 350D and 400D.
It doesn't occur with a SONY ARW file (camera = A580)

I dont see this problem with a JPG or PSD (from a Canon source file) - however for these I have the dialog asking if I want to open the original or with LR edits. Maybe this dialog handles the orientation fields correctly.




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No problem with .orf files (Olympus), neither .tif nor .psd
macOS 10.14.3 PS 20.0.4

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Try opening one of the problematic files directly with Photoshop from the HD (not through Lightroom)
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In Lightroom CC Classic v8.2 I have an image that I flipped horizontally.
Then I 'open in Photoshop'  (version 20.0.3) and it is upside down.
When changing the orientation of a file inside LR you need to perform a 'Save Metadata to File' operation (CTRL/CMD +S keys).  This allows other programs to read the EXIF orientation correction data and apply it on opening.
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When changing the orientation of a file inside LR you need to perform a 'Save Metadata to File' operation (CTRL/CMD +S keys).  This allows other programs to read the EXIF orientation correction data and apply it on opening.
Not when opening from Lightroom???  I have auto write to amp turned on but believe if you open from Lightroom all Lightroom settings are honoured.


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Yes, it will work correctly when using 'Edit in PS' or Export, but the OP said "Then I 'open in Photoshop'  (version 20.0.3) and it is upside down."
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Thanks Todd - yes, there should be no need to save any meta data, I would expect LR and PS to do 'the right thing'. 
I dont want to save it this way and open it that way .... "open in Photoshop" should just work.

Also - it doesn't matter if the image has been cropped either. A full image or cropped image does the same thing.

I have tried lots of files now and I believe it is only Canon Raw files that show this problem. I have 350D,400D and 70D files to try so they go back a long way.
I can't recall every flipping an image in LR before editing in PS so this fault may have been there for a very long time.

To be honest it's not a big problem as I can fix it anyway, and once fixed I always save as PSD.
Just more of a niggle.

I assumed Adobe staff read these threads as I was told this is the place to report bugs.








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I can't recall every flipping an image in LR before editing in PS so this fault may have been there for a very long time.
If you're using 'Edit in PS' inside LR there's no need to 'Save Metadata to File.' With raw files there is no option for 'Edit Original,' 'Edit a Copy with Lightroom,' etc. The file opens in PS using the PS Camera Raw plugin in the background to apply ALL of your Develop settings including rotation and flip. If you're using 'Edit in PS' with non-raw JPEG or TIFF files you must choose the option 'Edit a Copy with Lightroom adjustments' to have the LR rotation or flip edit applied to the file that opens in PS.

I have PS's Preference> Performance> 'Ignore Rotation Metadata' unchecked and LR Rotate and Flip is working with no issues using Canon 300D, 600D, 5D MKII, and 6D CR2 raw files using LR 8.2 and PS 2.0.4 or any JPEG or TIFF file as outlined above.
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You may try the following. In Photoshop go to Preferences - Performance. Toggle the setting for ‘Ignore Rotation Metadata’.
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Thanks for the tips but they don't help.

Firstly, I could not find the option under performance - but it does exist under file handling.
I have it UNCHECKED.
I tried to check it and I still get an upside down image.

PS 20.0.4
Windows 10


So ... there is still an issue but maybe it is only on my setup.




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Phillip,
We couldn't reproduce the issue.
The rotation is maintained if you are using the "Edit in PS" option or opening in PS after saving the metadata.
Please let us know if the problem persists.
We can contact you off list to get the files you use.

Thanks,
Sunil
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I'm happy to supply any log/info files. I get the problem on "every" CR2 file I have tried. Please contact me directly and let me know what files you need.

It does look like a local setup issue since nobody else has it.

I made a simple movie of the fault - just incase nobody beleives me ! :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zgy4fv9564zrbs1/PS_Flip2.mov?dl=0

I have an old graphics card which has caused a few problems in the past - AMD Radeon HD 6570. I tried disabling 'use graphics processor' on the performance tab (and also in the ACR processing section) and the problem still happens.




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I have more info....  I dont use the import option in LightRoom.
I use BreezeBrowser to copy images from memory card to folders. It creates folders based on yy/mm/dd and prefixes the files with the camera model. The ONLY thing it changes is the filename and optionally IPTC tags.
Then I 'Sync' folders in LR .... so any new subfolders/files will be detected and will update my catalogue.


Most of the time I shoot RAW and JPG so I have 2 files for each image.
In all of my tests, this problem has occured on folders where I have both JPG and CR2 files.

I have located files where I ONLY shot RAW - so only a CR2 file present and no JPG file.
The problem DOES NOT occur on these files.

Based on this, I think the problem is with LR and based on the way the orientation flag is stored, and also passed onto PS.



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Ignore that last update ..... I have done fresh tests.

I took 6 test shots - 3 as RAW+JPG and 3 as RAW only.
the 3 shots were landscape orientation, and portrait/left and portrait/right.

The problem does NOT occur on landscape images - but it does occur on both types of portrait image.
And it does not matter if I have JPG versions or not.

Looking at the EXIF orientation flags ...
Landscape shows as 'TOP LEFT'
But the portrait versions show it as 'Left Bottom' and 'Left Top'


The next test was to save the meta data (I had a label showing that the meta data has been changed in LR).
After saving the meta data, the image (portrait orientation, and flipped horizontally) opened correctly in PS.


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The problem does NOT occur on landscape images - but it does occur on both types of portrait image.
I can confirm what you are seeing with portrait orientation raw files.

I tested Canon 5DMKII portrait orientated CR2 files with EXIF Orientation 'Rotate 270 CW' due to manual rotation of the camera 90 degrees CCW from 'Horizontal (normal)' orientation.

1) When LR 'Flip Horizontal' is applied inside LR 'Edit in PS' (CTRL +E) opens the file in PS with the image properly 'Flipped Horizontal,' but also incorrectly Rotated 180 degrees. See below example.

2) When LR 'Flip Vertical' is applied inside LR 'Edit in PS' (CTRL +E) opens the file in PS with the image properly 'Flipped Vertical,' but also incorrectly Rotated 180 degrees.

3) If a 'Save Metadata to file' (CTRL/CMD +S) command is applied before using 'Edit in PS' the file opens correctly inside PS.

4) With JPEG files when any 'Rotate' or 'Flip' is applied the file's EXIF Orientation data is changed and they open correctly inside PS. I confirmed my Catalog settings> Metadata tab for  'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, PNG, and PSD files' and 'Automatically write changes into XMP' are NOT checked. This may be "by design," but it breaks LR's non-destructive workflow by modifying the file's data when the Catalog settings say it should NOT happen.

Sunil Bhaskaran please let me know if you can not duplicate this issue as outlined above. Thank you.

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Thanks, Todd Shaner.
It's reproducible. We will investigate.

Thanks,
Sunil

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Thank you Sunil. As an FYI I'm also using Windows 10 same as the OP Phillip Turner so not sure if this also affects Mac OS X platform.
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Sunil,
I just tried this on a Canon 5dmk2 CR2 file using Lr 8.2 and OSX 10.14.3 and the flip horizontal and vertical on a Portrait photo showed up correctly in PS.  This must be a Windows only issue.
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Rob, thanks for confirming!