Lightroom Classic 9.2.1: Inconsistent display of presets panel content (dev module)

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Hi everyone,

First time I am posting here because I have not found the answer inexisting threads. I am seeking for fix or workaround thatwould avoid me to reinstall lightroom (assuming this would solve the issue).

I use lightroom classic 9.2.1 on Windows 10. See all system details at theend of this post.

Here is the detailed sequence.

I have recently purchased presets and profiles from Really Nice Images (RNIAll Films 5 – Pro product) and installed them successfully by unzipping theirzip package and copying the resulting folder in the ‘‘/lightroom settings/settings’ like my other presets (the ‘storepresets with this catalog’ option in Edit/Preferences is checked). Seeattachment 1 with a screenshot of the content of this ‘settings’ folder.

After this installation, in the dev module, the presets were available inthe presets panel (provided they are checked in the ‘manage presets’ menu) andthe profiles were also available in the profile browser. This validates theywere installed correctly I believe.

But after one day, I had to save my first user preset (through the ‘+’ signof the presets panel) which I created from one of the available RNI presets.But when saving this preset, I chose to save this new user preset in a newgroup called RNI, to distinguish this new RNI based user preset from the onescreated in the past without RNI (in group called ‘user presets’).

And this is where the problem started.

From this point on, the display of the presets panel became inconsistentunless I unchecked all RNI presets from the ‘manage presets’ menu of the presetpanel. By inconsistent, I mean the RNI presets are no longer accessible ifchecked. And thedisplay of the presets panel is either:

  • A truncated display of the presets list when the presets panel is expanded. In the presets panel screenshot below, I should see the expanded list of presets in the My VSCO & LR presets.

  • a display of the other modules if I went in one of them before returning to the dev module (I can see part of the catalog tree from library module or print sheet from the print module through the presets panel frame...).

  • a duplicate display of the other panels located below the presets panel (like history, snapshots). See screenshot below.

In the meantime, the profiles remain fully available and operational fromthe profile browser of the dev module.

The presets panel behavior comes back to normal (but without RNI presets)as soon as I uncheck all RNI presets from the ‘manage presets’ menu in the '+'sign of the panel). 

See screenshots below with the correct display of the panel at this point when the RNI presets are unchecked:


From there, I tried to find fixes/workaround like:

  • Moving RNI presets and profiles folder and all my other presets to the ‘AppData/Roaming/Adobe/CameraRaw/Settings’ after having unchecked ‘store with this catalog’ in the Edit/preferences.
  • Installing the RNI presets and profiles zip through the ‘File/import develop presets and profiles...’ function
  • Importing RNI presets and profiles through ‘import presets’ function from the '+' sign of the presets panel of the dev module
  • Deleting the ‘index_....dat’ files existing in the ‘settings’ whether it is the ones located in ‘AppData/Roaming/Adobe/CameraRaw/Settings’ or located in ‘/lightroom settings/settings’
Note that when I check/uncheck the ‘store with this catalog’ option,lightroom freezes and I have to for exit. I can workaround the switching thisoption via the preference agprefs.

Note also that I succeeded in creating my new RNI based user preset butonly based on RNI profiles as RNI presets are no longer available as describeabove. So at this point I only get access to RNI profiles, which is quitefrustrating for such a product (192 USD).

Is it a problem in lightroom? In RNI? Of compatibility between both?

Any suggested solution (other than full lightroom reinstallation)?

Any workaround that would help me recover the RNI presets?

Thanks a lot for your support and I hope this thread will also benefit toothers facing the same issue, at least to know that it exists. I also hope itwill help finding a workaround in the short term and if it is confirmed this isa lightroom bug and/or an RNI bug, to have them fix asap.

Congratulations if you were brave enough to read this post up to here :-)

Thank you to all.



Full System info:

Lightroom Classic version: 9.2.1 [ 202004070813-7699d98a ]

License: Creative Cloud

Language setting: en

Operating system: Windows 10 - Business Edition

Version: 10.0.18362

Application architecture: x64

System architecture: x64

Logical processor count: 16

Processor speed: 3,9 GHz

SqLite Version: 3.30.1

Built-in memory: 32704,5 MB

Real memory available to Lightroom: 32704,5 MB

Real memory used by Lightroom: 3194,3 MB (9,7%)

Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 5917,1 MB

GDI objects count: 1212

USER objects count: 3029

Process handles count: 4021

Memory cache size: 291,9MB

Internal Camera Raw version: 12.2.1 [ 415 ]

Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5

Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2

Camera Raw virtual memory: 1280MB / 16352MB (7%)

Camera Raw real memory: 1303MB / 32704MB (3%)

System DPI setting: 120 DPI

Desktop composition enabled: Yes

Displays: 1) 2560x1440

Input types: Multitouch: No, Integrated touch: No, Integrated pen: No,External touch: No, External pen: No, Keyboard: No

Graphics Processor Info:

DirectX: AMD Radeon Pro WX 3100 (26.20.11002.1001)

Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Lightroom Classic

Library Path: C:\Users\CMP QUADRO\Pictures\Lightroom\LightroomCatalog-2-2.lrcat

Settings Folder: C:\Users\CMP QUADRO\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom

Installed Plugins:

1) AdobeStock

2) Facebook

3) Flickr

4) Nikon Tether Plugin

5) SmugMug

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AudioDeviceSampleRate: 48000

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Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist

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With all the UI glitches, it could be some indication that Lr has problem when trying to load the two "My RNI presets" that you created.  Try to isolate the problematic preset one by one:

1) Move the "My RNI presets" folder out of the Lightroom Settings>Settings folder to your Desktop folder. And check if things come back to normal.

2) You could also do a right click on each preset and "Show in Explorer" to locate each user preset in question and move it else where.

See what happens after restarting Lr.
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Thank you Simon for your prompt reply.

I removed the presets as you suggested but the problem was still there.

Beside, RNI support advised me to do the following which was successful:
  1. In Edit/Preferences/Presets make sure your 'store with this catalog’ option is unchecked.
  2. Then click both 'Show Lightroom Develop Presets' and 'Show All Other Lightroom Presets' buttons - this will reveal 2 different directories in your Explorer where Lightroom keeps different presets and profiles.
  3. Quit all your Lightroom and Photoshop applications so they won't interfere with the next steps.
  4. Now, from those two folders from p.2 move everything, all folder contents, to some temporary location, say on your desktop.
  5. Launch Adobe Lightroom - make sure it works as expected with no freezings or other nasty things.
  6. Now make a fresh installation of the original RNI presets & profiles, not the ones that you moved. You can install it by either copying the files or the Lightroom's install presets & profiles command.
  7. Launch Lightroom if needed - make sure the RNI presets are not hidden and work as expected.
  8. Now you can try and start returning your stuff (e.g. my older presets other than RNI's) from the temporary location back to its folders restarting Lightroom in between.
As said above, this worked successfully.

Of course, after this procedure I had to restore all my other non-dev presets (print, export, watermark, etc) as they were moved from the 'Show All Other Lightroom Presets'. In addition I rebuilt the prefs (.agprefs file in Lightroom/Preferences folder) from scratch through Lightroom (not from the one I moved out) and in my opinion this is what solved the issue. There was an inconsistency somehow in these .agprefs files.

Anyway, problem fixed, without reinstallation of LR. And this is the most important to me.

I hope these posts will help others who may face this issue.

Thank you again for your support.


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Thanks for the updates. The procedures above amount to start clean on the Lr presets and reinstall of the RNI presets.

My original suspicion probably still holds. Some preset is bad or corrupted in your earlier setup.