Lightroom Classic: Logic of the "Edit Capture Time" function and writing these changes to the files.

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The logic of the Edit Capture Time function seems very unintuitive.  There is a setting in the Catalog Settings preference dialog that says this



On reading this I assumed that when you do an Edit Capture Time that the changes would be automatically written to the NON-Raw files as a default but you would have to check this box to have them written to a Raw file.  I see that the Edit Capture Time only changes the capture time in the catalog.  To actually write the changed capture time to the file you have to Save Metadata to File.  This is totally unintuitive.   It would be more intuitive to add a check box to the Edit Capture Time dialog that says something like "Change Capture Time of the file also" or something.  At least put a comment in the Edit Capture Time dialog telling you that the changes are only written to the catalog and you have to Save Metadata to File to write the changes to the file.

I don't do this often and had to internet search a few years back to figure this out and had to do it again today as I forgot about this.
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I wonder if it could be due to this setting?


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Sorry, hit enter too fast. What I meant is perhaps that setting is corrupted in Preferences. Did you try resetting the LR Preferences file?
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Your second post came in as I was typing my reply.  It took awhile as I was called away   : ).   I didn't reset the preference file.  The solution in the threads I found said just to Save Metadata to File.   It works but seems illogical.   Maybe we should ask Spock.
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Hi Todd,

I have that option turned ON as you can see in my post.  

With the Option ON the date/time change is written to the RAW file along with the XMP when you Save Metadata to File even though the Save Metadata to File dialog doesn't indicate this when you do the command.   Its the same dialog as with the option turned OFF.


With the option OFF, the date/time change is ONLY written to the XMP for RAW when using Save Metadata to File as it should.

This has been discussed in several threads from way back and one thread deemed it  "Adobe Logic".  I can see their thinking that things are only written to the catalog and it  is only written to the files when you specifically tell Lightroom to do it .   Unfortunately for me and from all the threads I have read to solve this issue for the second or third time a lot of people assume like I did from the Catalog Settings dialog and Save Metadata dialog that the date/time would be written to the file.  It sounds like you think it should too.

It may make sense in the general scheme of the Lightroom Design but it is VERY UNINTUITIVE.  I can't imagine a scenario where I want to change the Capture Time and NOT write it to the Original File.  Even for JPG files I only want to write JUST the time/date change and not the whole Metadata although that is not an issue.
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Agreed, I can confirm the behavior which makes no sense!  One would logically assume if 'Write date or time changes into proprietary raw files' is checked then  'Edit Capture time' should also write the data "stored in this photo." A change in wording would make it clearer. Better yet add a checkbox to allow updating just the catalog data or both the catalog AND raw file data.


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The things you outlined in RED make this whole dialog very misleading.  I didn't notice the top one before.  Thanks
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I probably do this at most a couple times a year, and I forget how it works every time.  I like the check box idea but at least a comment in the dialog saying you have to Save Metadata to File to have the date IN the file updated would reduce the confusion and be EASY to implement.
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I recently did an 'Edit Capture Time' to image files from a shoot in Greece. I forgot to set one of may cameras to the new time zone (+7 hours) and I also assumed the raw files would be updated. Of course they weren't due to the issue discussed here AND I had the below 'Catalog Setting' unchecked. To prevent this from happening it would make sense to move that setting to the 'Edit Capture Time' popup. I'm pretty sure this is the only place you can invoke an 'Edit Capture Time' operation so no need to put it anywhere else. Another checkbox option to 'Update file metadata now' or something like that is needed.
Regardless of how it's implemented I agree a change is needed to eliminate confusion.


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These less than helpful dialog settings are why I use an external EXIF Editor to make time and date corrections before I import into Lightroom.

Sometimes I wonder if ANY of the developers on the Lightroom team actually use digital cameras on a regular basis.