Lightroom Classic: Support cataloging PSB files (files larger than 2 GB PSDs and 4 GB TIFFs)

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Lightroom should catalog psb files, just as it does psd files. I have many psb files that are not over the 65,000 pixels per side or 512 megapixel limits, but are larger than the 4GB limit on psd files, and it would be nice to see them in Lightroom.
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I would like to add my support for Lightroom at least CATALOGING PSB files... Even if you are not able to work on them in the develop module... I would at least like to know that they file is sitting there in my collection.. I forgot that a file I had been working on was a PSB and even though I created a psd for it to show up in Lightroom I had forgotten that it was a PSB and thought I had inadvertently flattened it at some point (while changing color space for delivery - the default - stupid - but that is ANOTHER topic) so spent the last hour tracking down a layered file that I already was in possession of!
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Agreed. See my post a few messages above about a plugin-based workaround. Not as good as having it builtin, though.
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the anyfile Lightroom plugin and the psb thumbnail plugin make a great combination, and have made cataloging psb files much easier for me.
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This would be my request too. I've just been working on a poster which comprises several high quality images of people to appear as if they were all present for one photo. I was working in PSD and it just outgrew the filesize limit and became PSB. Suddenly I have to go outside of Lightroom just to open the file because it's not listed... but it's still part of the Lightroom workflow for me.
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You might be able to get by using TIFFs.  PSDs have a maximum size of 2 GB, while TIFFs can go to 4 GB.   Once you go over 4 GBs, you need to use PSBs.
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Apparently the psb thumbnail plugin is MAC only....
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There's a Windows-equivalent plugin:

http://www.ardfry.com/psd-codec/
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With the soon to be released 50 Megapixel Canon 5Ds and 5Ds R, Adobe will have wake up as file sizes get much bigger. There will be a more compelling argument to include PSB in Lightroom (even if its just for cataloging). I really hope they add this with Lightroom 6.
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Lightroom CC\6 was released with zero support for PSB.Its just odd that Bridge can view PSD but Adobe cant implement this in LR even at just a viewing level without the development module.
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I don't care if I cannot edit the file. I just want to see it in LR for cataloging purposes.
I haven't touched bridge since i am into LR.
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CC 2015 is here, yet no sign or care from Adobe to support PSB in Lightroom. I guess their polls indicated that users wanted Dehaze instead of PSB support.
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Well if you put it that way, yes, Dehaze is vastly more important for me and I suspect many Adobe customers than support for PSB in the database. Not to put the cart before the horse but rendering the raw is the most critical functionality, PSB is only pertinent if and when you've rendered that raw and produced a huge rendered file with presumably layers or Smart Objects.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Fix PSB support for Lightroom!.

Lightroom doesn't support .psb files. This is really stupid as it is an adobe file format. Please fix this ASAP. It is really easy to get over the 2GB limit with a simple panorama and some adjustment layers.
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You can go up to 4Gb if you save the files as TIF, which Lr will recognise
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That isn't the point. I also have photos that have gone WAY over 4GB. There is no reason lightroom shouldn't have some way to catalog psb files.
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That's called shifting the goalposts. I addressed your specific issue with 2Gb limits - use TIF rather than PSD - but on the wider issue I have always advocated that Lr should catalogue all file types.
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Does tff support saving with the layers? Do I lose any information that would otherwise be preserved with a psb file?
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Yes, TIFF supports layers and you lose nothing expect perhaps some compatibility working in say InDesign which should be fixed to support TIFF like other Adobe app's.
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I don't care if I can edit it or not in LR,.. I just want to see it! that's all.
Why invent a file-format without supporting it.

yes I know I am starting to sound like a broken record. to me this is very important.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Size Limitations for Panorama in Lightroom CC - Feature Request.

Feature request: This note is to encourage Adobe to expand the size limitations of panoramas in Lightroom CC. I understand that this limit is a maximum long dimension of 65,000 pixels or a maximum pixel count of 512 megapixels. Such a limit makes it impossible to obtain wide angle panoramas with long focal length lenses to obtain extremely high resolution. For example, a 100 mm lens on a 24mm x 36mm sensor turned to vertical orientation (24mm wide) requires approximately (ideally) 26 frames to make a 360 degree panorama. If a 50 megapixel camera is used (e.g. Canon 5DS), this image will be approximately 150,000 pixels wide or almost three times the present limit. It will also have approximately 1300 megapixels, again roughly three times the present limit. This means that a Canon 5DS cannot be used to make even a 180 degree panorama using a 100mm lens in the vertical orientation. Another use for panorama is very high resolution art reproduction using panorama to merge a mosaic of separate images of one artwork. The size limit constrains what can be done to a significant degree. Panorama creation in Lightroom CC is fantastic because it is easy and results in a RAW image. But the present size limit is a real constraint! My recommendation would be to quadruple the linear dimension and make the pixel limit ~10 times as great. One additional point: When too many pictures to merge are selected, Lightroom should return a statement "Panorama is too large - limit is a maximum long dimension of 65,000 pixels or a maximum pixel count of 512 megapixels" instead of some thing like "Panorama failed - try a different projection". This would save many people a lot of time. It took me several hours of experimentation and finally a Google query to figure out what the problem/limitation was. Thank you for your attention.
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Merging to another topic.

Please reference the new conversation here: Size Limitations in Lightroom
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Yes, please Adobe, support psb files in LR. I'd even accept limited functionality (no develop module, say) as a temporary solution just so I can have the huge master layered files in LR.
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if only we could see the file and open it into photoshop from LR, that would be a HUGE benefit.
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Yes, even that limited functionality would be enormously helpful.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom: Support PSB files.

I am shocked if it is true that Lightroom won't catalog psb files. I dragged a number of them onto a catalog, and the message was "No photos found". If true, this is inexcusable. Perhaps I am confused?
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No you are not confused... we are just confused why Adobe has not addressed this...
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Hopefully soon . . . . . please adobe, support PSB in Lightroom.
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What a shame they doesn't support their own format..!

With the bigger sized photos in MegaPixels (as the Sony a7R II that I use), all my non-destructive files are weighting more than 4 GB. They put infront of the line that non-destructive function bu aren't able to provide compatibility in between their own softwares -_-

I'm then stuck with these files only managed in the Finder and can lose track of them..

Am thinking about going with another solution really..
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It's time adobe. Please support the PSB in Lightroom.
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Please add psb support
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Steve Glass

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Please Adobe!
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We NEED psb support !
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Steve Glass

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I completely agree! Anytime now Adobe!
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i don't need to edit it, i just want to see it in my collection 
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That would be a nice place to start! As long as we can see it and open in Photoshop, that would be great.
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5years and still not even read support for it :(
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Just started creating Pano and exposure blending with my D800 raw files. Linking the smart objects back to the Raw file in Photoshop. The file is greater than 4GB, I can not manage this file as part of my Lightroom workflow as I need to use PSB files. Just need Lightroom to support PSB catalogue and allow edit in Photoshop (original).
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"Just need Lightroom to support PSB catalogue and allow edit in Photoshop (original)."

See the Any File plugin, which was designed for this use case.  Not nearly as convenient as having it built-in to LR, but it gets the job done.
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Thanks for the hint John!

But that'll be actually pretty useful from Lightroom to be able to manage the PSB as the PSD and TIFF files in terms of previewing the file itself and even edit it as an actual built-in supported file :)
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That is a little below the belt John; trying to sell plug-ins at the expense of supporting Adobe fixing Lightroom. PSB is an Adobe file format hence it is not unreasonable to ask for Lightroom to support it.
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I very much want LR to be a more capable digital asset manager in general, and to handle PSB files in particular.  (I was the 16th out of 55 to me-too this topic.)  As I mentioned, the plug-in is not nearly as useful as having the capability built-in, and I would greatly prefer it if Adobe added this capability.

But meanwhile, many people need to get work done while waiting for Adobe to fix things, and they come to this forum looking for solutions.
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Adobe we are waiting!!!!
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This feature is long overdue with rising file sizes of modern DSLRs. Adobe wake up and start working. I keep coming back to this thread once in a year just to see that nothing changed. What are we paying the monthly bills for...
My panoramas with the D810 and a tele lens end up being 10GB plus in size. I want to catalogue them to find them in my big library and folder structure. Edits can always be made in Photoshop if need be.

For those of you interested in another workaround: I create a TIFF file with the same dimensions as the original file (works most of the time). It is set to sRGB and 8 Bit contrary to the original file which is 16bit and ProPhotoRGB. This alone saves a lot of space. Then I link the original file as a smart object. So it is rendered inside the file and you can always jump from the TIFF file to the original via the smart object.
The TIFF can then be imported to LR. No plugin needed.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LIGHTROOM: Editing PSB files.

Could it be possible for future versions of Lightroom to include the facility for reading .psb files as I work with large 360 degrees panoramas, that are created with layers for easy editing of minor errors
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Tweeted to @AdobeCare and they directed me to make a request here.  I see that the thread started  6 years ago and the requests keep coming for this feature.  Remind me again why we're paying monthly, year after year, for software that doesn't support it's own file formats?  Very disappointing to say the least.
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Come on Adobe!!!! You can do it. PSB - support it! Or make .psd files able to be much larger than 2GB.... you can do it!
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I really can't believe this is still absent from Lightroom. My file sizes are only getting bigger, now I'm spending my time trying to haggle with Lightroom, "If I merge these layers will you please be under 4gb?"....weight 5 minutes for it to save a compressed zip format to cut further down on the size.... nope "Ok, I guess I can delete those layers..." repeat
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Any day Adobe! Next update, please fix this.
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Now 6 years and 73 "me too"s. Come on, Adobe!

I want to remind everyone of two solutions that you should consider—purchasing the AnyFile plugin, or using Helmut Steiner's smart object solution above. If you use AnyFile on Macintosh, it is pretty straightforward to assign command-key shortcuts to its menu commands, which I have done.
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Just adding my support for large files.
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