Lightroom: Add Dr. Brown's Services to Photo>Edit In... menu

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I'd love to be able to initiate Dr. Brown's Services like Stack-A-Matic, Image Processor Pro and Time Lapse Assistant from Lightroom's "Photo>Edit In..." menu just like we can from Bridge's "Tools" menu.

Just to clarify, Lightroom would simply initiate these services that are then executed in Photoshop. So this would be just like initiating "Merge to Panorama in Photoshop" from LR's "Photo>Edit In..." menu.

Naturally I asked Russell about doing this first but he suggested I mention it here.
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Dr. Brown makes that peppermint soap, no? Is this 'Idea' for people who already know about Dr. Brown's Services? If not, perhaps a bit of education is in order...

Sorry Scott - I don't mean to sound like a smart a$$, I'm just not clear what would be involved in this, and why Russell doesn't just make a plugin for it.

Could a plugin do this? e.g. like Lr/Enfuse & onOne's PerfectLayers.........
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Russell Brown works for Adobe. It's a script to process images in Photoshop so LR plugin wouldn't be quite right.
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Why not Jeffrey??
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See comment below - the API afaik isn't exposed to allow loading ExtendScripts as menu items in LR. I like the idea and voted for it. :)
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It's for all the people that already know about his services and want to initiate them from LR and for all those people that haven't *yet* discovered Dr. Brown's Services. It's great stuff and a growing market, you might say.

They are PS automation scripts like Photomerge or HDR so adding them to the same area where Photomerge and HDR are seems to make sense. They aren't separate apps like LR/Enfuse and PerfectLayers so a plug-in isn't appropriate.
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Hmm, yes, good point. Well as long as there's another way of tapping into ExtendScript/BridgeTalk and connecting to PS we're good.
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The "edit-in" function leverages ExtendScript/BridgeTalk to communicate with Photoshop - so a more general request would be to document the API and provide a way to load/access arbitrary scripts to connect to Photoshop.
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Image Processor (and the new pro version) is something that LR users really need, IMO, particularly for the sake of client file delivery. For years Capture One (C1) users have been able to export low res sRGB files and another set of sharpened, press ready, CMYK TIFF files. Commercial photographers *really* like that kind of thing. Not being able to do this straight from LR is a deal breaker for many Capture One user that consider switching. To an engineer it may not seem like much to switch to Bridge and PS but it's a layer of complication that photographers want to avoid and one that C1 elegantly makes simple.

So opening up the API that's already there and simply including more PS automation scripts like ImageProcessor and potentially others (Stack-a-Matic) seems a pretty easy way to get Export-to-CMYK capability and solve the client file delivery problem.

So, who wants to vote for leveraging ExtendScript/BridgeTalk? Cast your ballots!

Of course, if LR4 would let us export to a CMYK space without the use of PS altogether that would be fantastic. Both of these - even more so.
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Jeffery - so would this tie into the Adobe Extensions manager so that one could install Dr. Brown's Services in PS and LR simultaneously using the same AEM installer?
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Unlikely. Lightroom doesn't have infrastructure to work with Extension Manager that I know of it.
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Perhaps this could be developed for the future?
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Possibly. It's fairly straightforward. The big difference is Lightroom has it's own Plug-in Manager - so it'd be odd to have two different mechanisms.
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Scripts can be run by actions, and these actions can be turned into droplets - which Lightroom can run as external editors or as the post processing step in the Export dialog.
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I meant to add that a refinement might be to allow all the exported/edited filenames to be passed as a single string, rather than as individual calls.
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Good point John. Still, I've love to see something more elegant and accessible to masses.
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So, if John's solution would be functionally equivalent, one way to make it more accessible to the masses is to make the information how to do it more prevalent somehow. Help file, tutorial, tip-o-day, intro, sticky forum post...

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for making it more elegant, i.e. native Lightroom, but in the mean time, accessible (detailed) instructions for how to do it until then might be a fair substitute.
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Who reads FAQs? See How do I create a Photoshop Droplet?

While I point out this method (and a plugin does get round the problem I cited) I also feel that by comparison with scripts, droplets are last century's way of automating Photoshop. And the whole idea of setting them up as export actions or external editors will always be far too obscure for most reasonably-proficient LR/PS users. Sadly I think that's also true of Image Processor or Dr Brown or whatever it's called today. Isn't part of LR's raison d'etre to cut through these Heath Robinson (Rube Goldberg) styles of working?

Maybe, rather than tying LR into Dr Brown, what's really needed is simply the ability to directly call a Photoshop action as part of the Edit With dialog or as an export post processing step?
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For those that aren't familiar with what Dr. Brown's Services or Image Processor Pro are:

http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech...
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Russell just now added a new Stack-amatic demo video that demonstrates how we night photographers use the latest version of Stack-a-matic for night photography image stacking. Stack-a-matic has become THE way for night photographers to perform their image stacking so it would be really great if we could, one day, initiate this from LR. Cheers to that.

http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech...
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Stack o magic should be in LR to be going back and forth to PS is not in Adobes intrust. I do night photography and that would be all I need to composite photos. Adobe added pano & HDR, let's see S-O-M guys. Listen to Scott Martin for crying out loud!!
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Thanks Mitch! "Why can't we install Stack-O-Matic in Lightroom like we can in Bridge?"  I hear this a lot in my travels and it baffles me why Adobe would allow us to this in one app and not the other.
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How is what you're asking for different than what the LR/ACR HDR operator does, now? 

The HDR operator aligns, stacks and blends multiple exposures, already. 

It seems to me the only difference is that the HDR operator requires different EVs for each photo and errors out if they aren't different, so if that condition were relaxed then it'd be very similar to what Stack-A-Matic does, with the added benefit that the data is in "32-bit" raw format.

Or do you take advantage of the other blending modes in PS's Layer-Stack item, so the HDR function would need additional blending modes, and maybe not be HDR, anymore. 
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Or is your thought that Layers and Automation be added to Lightroom and it turn into Photoshop but without paying for PS?

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Hi Steve, thanks for asking. For night photographers, Stack-A-Matic, by default, creates layers with the blending mode set to "Lighten" blending mode. This could be achieved with a slight modification to the HDR mode, but having a Layered Photoshop file complete with layer makes is really helpful, and the most desirable result for night photographers as there are often things that need to be masked out on some of these layers. 

My thought here is that Adobe could create an API so that we could add additional items to the Photo>EditIn... menu. They did this for Bridge years ago but have not done so to Lightroom. If you install Dr. Browne's Services you'll notice that it adds useful items (Stack-A-Matic) to this menu in Bridge but not to Lightroom because, they haven't opened up the API to do so. Again to do so in one app but not the other seems shortsighted. 

Night Photography and image stacking are being hugely popular and people would love to be able to initiate Stack-A-Matic from within Lightroom. 

 
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Adobe would probably argue that you can already Edit In - Open As Layers and do whatever you want in PS.  You could certainly do your Stack-A-Matic things manually without too much trouble using a combination of Align Layers, Stack Layers, Stack Blend Mode and Layer Blend Mode.  All but the last step of setting each layer's blend mode individually could be a recorded action, right?

The one thing Stack-A-Matic is doing differently is using smart-objects to the original raw files, whereas Open As Layers has fully-rendered images in each layer.  Using Smart Objects isn't really compatible with the raw settings coming from LR so that difference makes sense. 

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OK let me just invite you to get into image stacking and become a pro on this yourself... Open in Layers in Photoshop is a drag with 150 layers...
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150 layers would need some automation.  Bridge/PS/the-Dr will still do it. 

I use other software for stacking astrophotos and don’t do it too much, anymore.  It’s the sort of software that aligns on the stars not the horizon for star trails, although I did try those once and probably did use PS.  I don’t think PS reliably aligns on stars, does it?

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"Bridge/PS/the-Dr will still do it. " Sure, it always has but it sure would be nice if LR joined the party! :-] Been switching to Bridge to do this for years but it feel so backwards...

An astro-trackeing device is what you'd want for astrophotography but Stack-A-Matic is THE tool for Astro-landscape photography. I just wish we could initiate it from LR!
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If any engineers would like some files to experiment with - please contact me!