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Would it be possible to include in a future version of Lightroom the ability to create new Catalogs without Lightroom having to close and re-open. In Aperture (new project) it's a no brainer, I'm sure Adobe can get this happening. I can nearly make a cup of coffee in the time it takes Lightroom to close and re-open when creating a new Catalog. 22 seconds to create Catalog from the time you name and hit 'create' 2.4 secs in Aperture to create 'new project'
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Note: Lr Collections (and/or Sets) are closer to an Aperture Project than a Catalog is.

Although Lr has been designed with multi-catalog support in mind (I can tell by the SDK), I doubt it will support multiple catalogs (simultaneously open, or openable without restarting) any time soon, if ever (I speculate that based on how entrenched the 1-catalog thang is, and the myriad of other feature requests already in the queue).

So, consider defining your own "projects" by how you use collections and keywords...

That said, it's not beyond the realm of possibility for Adobe to introduce a more "coalesced" notion of a project in Lightroom, but it would probably be intra-catalog...

b.t.w. if you *do* insist on multiple catalogs, this plugin may be of interest:

Xurchin (cross-catalog search tool)

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Out of curiosity, how would you define a "project" in Lightroom?

Obviously, which photos are members of the project would be a prime element, but what else... - what would the features of a project be...

I once submitted an 'Idea' for "Defining Groups of Related Photos", which is reminiscent of an Aperture Project, but it had a cooler reception than I'd hoped for (granted, it wasn't defined/presented very well):

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

?
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Well I guess that some of my notion comes from not knowing why Lightroom has to close and re-open when creating a new Catalog, what is it about the structure and coding of a Catalog that forces a 'close and re-open' sequence? it has echos of having to re start your computer after a major OS update. I'd welcome an explanation of the why and how. Having said that I tend to see a Catalog as a framework or container for linking a particular set of photo-shoots together and 'collection' or 'keywords' as a means to sub group images within a Catalog. It works much the same way for me in Aperture. A 'Project' will contain a collection of images taken for a specific purpose, there may be several hundred or a few thousand. Inside the 'Project' I can create 'Folders' that contain 'categorizations' and can then use labels, keywords or ratings to further sub group them within the Project or Folders. I hope that clarifies some things and answers questions posed.
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I can't answer why Lr has to close / open to create new catalogs (otherwise, I would have ;-}). That said, being a programmer m'self, it doesn't surprise me. Often, program development is simplified, by doing things in the course of initialization, which then can't be done independently (meaning *not* during initialization). I would guess it would be a *big* effort to support opening a different catalog without restarting Lightroom (more less allowing multiple catalogs to be open simultaneously) - just a guess.

Note: you may need to quit thinking of a catalog as a project - in some important ways, it is different.

I mean, some people create a separate catalog for each client, and, in other words, treat a catalog like a project, but they are in the minority, and unless projects are really one-shots - never to be revisited except if re-hired by client for additional work..., it makes more sense to create all "projects" within the same catalog.

So, I think you may need to learn to use keywords and/or other metadata / collections/sets to organize/group/find photos in a "virtual Lr project" - I mean, until support for "real Lr projects" comes along...

Not buyin' it?

Rob
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Hi Rob. A big thanks for taking time to lay this out with clarity. So I'm sort of reading it as Lightroom Catalog = Aperture Library in which case yes a mindset change on my part is necessary. I'll leave the suggestion up and change my thinking and organization in LIghtroom. What's been said by you makes sense. Once again a big thanks.
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A catalog should contain all your photos, and a collection can contain a subset of your photos taken from multiple folders. I use folders to separate specific shoots or events, but I only have one catalog with around 150,000 images in it. This makes it quite easy to search the entire set or any subset in any way I choose.
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Thanks Lee. I've taken all this in and am reorganizing as I speak. I appreciate the feedback.
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Lr Photo Organization 101 (crash course).

First, use folders to house all photos taken within a time period. e.g.
    2012

2012-12 December
2012-12-30 Party Prep
2012-12-31 New Year's Eve
2013
2013-01 January
2013-01-01 New Year's Day
2013-01-09 Another Great Day
2013-02 February
2013-02-02 Ground Hog's Day
2013-02-07 Golden Gate Park

Note: by naming things numerically first, alphabetical order is same as date-time order. Some people even omit the (non-numeric/custom) text, since they rely more on (metadata and/or) collections for organization.

So, proper folders have a whole lotta "project" built into them, straight from the get go.

Then, use metadata and/or collections/sets to define cross sections for various purposes.

For example, if your new year's eve party spanned 2 dates, as they usually do, you could create a single collection: "2012 New Year's Eve Party", which includes photos from both days (dates). Such a collection could be smart, based on metadata (e.g. year=2012 and keyword="New Year's Eve Party"), or "dumb" - just drag selected photos into collection, or you could create a "2012 New Year's Eve Party" collection set which includes both smart and dumb collections...

That's really all there is to it.

PS - Don't get me wrong: as I said, I would love to see some additional features for defining/viewing/operating-upon groups of related photos (~projects...), but until then...

Rob
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Gary Poulton

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Hi Rob
Agreed, until then....

p.s. All this is really appreciated. The feedback is first class. A big thanks from 'down under' Au
Cheers
Gary