Lightroom and Camera Raw: More Photoshop like clone/healing/content aware brushes

  • 350
  • Idea
  • Updated 9 months ago
  • (Edited)
More Photoshop like clone/healing brushes in Lightroom!
I love retouching in Photoshop, especially with the content aware fill with the healing tool, but Lightrooms tools are clunky. I don't know if there are technical limitations to implementing tools like Photoshop's in Lightroom but it would be GREAT!
I would rather be able to get a baseline retouched image in Lightroom than having to edit in Photoshop and then come back to Lightroom. I would rather just use Photoshop for image alterations.
Photo of pat d

pat d

  • 25 Posts
  • 5 Reply Likes
  • hopeful!

Posted 8 years ago

  • 350
Photo of Julian Z

Julian Z

  • 37 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
Agree, too. Skewing would also help, since it can be used to do a perspective correction between source and destination. With it, it would be possible to use a pattern further away at closer distance and vise versa.
Photo of Arnold Bartel

Arnold Bartel

  • 195 Posts
  • 51 Reply Likes
another detail to the selection of the source (after having tested the LR5 intensively):
I often ose the healing tool in 100% view to get best control of the results. The automatic source selection algorithm very very often selects an area being far out of the zoomed area or even out of the cropped image area. So if you want to refine the source it is very uncomfortable to end up the clone tool, zoom out, undo cropping to find the source, refine the selection of the clone source, zoom in to check, zoom out and finally redo the cropping.
In my eyes it would be better to higher prioritize possible options for source areas near the target area (because of the aspect above and also because of adjacent content often being more similar in color temperature, light, structure...) because final refinement of the source often will have to take place anyway.
Photo of Eric Chan

Eric Chan, Camera Raw Engineer

  • 624 Posts
  • 128 Reply Likes
Lr 5 Beta does already prioritize auto-selection of areas close to the painted area (target region). However, if it finds something that it believes will deliver a superior result that is farther away, it will choose that instead.
Photo of Paul Gardner

Paul Gardner

  • 7 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
LR 5 needs to replace the "dust brush" with the "Content Aware Brush" from CS6 and Elements 11 as a priority item. The implementation now is completely unacceptable. Two areas that are very close tend to run together. Also when one area is fixed it should be cleared so that another fix is not blocked by the first one so the auto-selection is not overlaying the first one.
Photo of Lee Jay

Lee Jay

  • 990 Posts
  • 136 Reply Likes
The implementation now works very well, and the brush from CS isn't directly applicable to a non-destructive workflow. You have one relatively minor thing you mention (difficulty selecting a source when it's already used) that are pretty easy to work around (move, select, move back).
Photo of Paul Gardner

Paul Gardner

  • 7 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
Sorry Lee, I completely disagree. I've played with both enough. and have used CAB since CS4 or CS5. The LR5 brush is very crude compared to CS6 and CS6 is non destructive.
Regards
Photo of Rikk Flohr

Rikk Flohr, Champion

  • 1373 Posts
  • 337 Reply Likes
How is CS 6 non-destructive?
Photo of Paul Gardner

Paul Gardner

  • 7 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
The original RAW file is never changed, only a copy. Jpegs now, are changed, but anyone who shoots jpegs could get by with Elements or any of the cheaper editors.
Paul
Photo of Lee Jay

Lee Jay

  • 990 Posts
  • 136 Reply Likes
That's not what non destructive means. Can you easily delete or move the corrections around at will after they have been placed?

Content aware is nice, and I've used it in Elements and CS6, but I usually end up using clone or heal instead for 90% of things that need that sort of treatment. CAF is best for things like filling in the corners of panoramas and doing things I never do like removing large scene elements.
Photo of Rob Cole

Rob Cole

  • 4831 Posts
  • 386 Reply Likes
Content aware fill is used in NX2 too (non-destructively) for removing distractions.

In my opinion, it would be extremely valuable to have CAF in Lr.

The present offering (@Lr5b), although improved, is hardly adequate. I often end up trying it, realizing it ain't gonna cut it, then deleting it and editing externally.

The non-linear distraction removal in Lr desperately needs better boundary integration / feathering, at a minimum (and rotation would help too), to even be usable in many instances, but CAF is just what this doctor is ordering (or should I say this patient is hoping for as cure).

Rob
Photo of dan dan

dan dan

  • 11 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Add the ability to merge spot removal adjustments. For example, when removing a complex object, you have to make several spot removals at various brush sizes, and sometimes it's difficult to put a new one where you want it, and creates a mess.

So allow us to hold a hotkey and start brushing onto an already existing spot removal adjustment.
Photo of Paul Gardner

Paul Gardner

  • 7 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
Or better yet throw away the current brush and replace it with the one from Photoshop
Photo of Steve Sprengel

Steve Sprengel, Champion

  • 2668 Posts
  • 343 Reply Likes
Photoshop is a destructive editor, meaning after each brush-stroke the result pixels become the source for the next stroke to work on.

Lightroom is non-destructive, meaning the it is always starting with the original pixels and recomputing the result of all the strokes applied to the original pixels as you add each one.

Because one is destructive and one is not, LR can never to spotting like PS can. Adobe sells both products so if you want Photoshop's method, use Photoshop.
Photo of Ivar S

Ivar S

  • 4 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
Well, even Photoshop itself is less and less destructive in every release.
(Edited)
Photo of Andre Malenfant

Andre Malenfant

  • 3 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
You will never see the same functionality in LR than PS. LR is a 150$ piece of software that is not intended for the same audience. I love LR. I do the basic tonality adjustments, cropping etc. then edit in PS (using the edit in function of LR) if needed. This way, a copy gets created and I can see the results in PS. The workflow is pretty straight forward. And you get the best of both.

I stopped trying to do advanced retouching in LR a long time ago and I started enjoying it much more since I learned to do it properly in PS.

@steve The destructive vs non-destructive is not exactly true (or as black and white). Most tools can take the source from a different layer. For example, with the healing brush, you can source from the background layer but apply the new pixels to a new layer on top. This way, you can always revert back. It's simply a different way to achieve the non destructive workflow.

@Paul There is no way you can do advanced stuff otherwise. That's where LR is limited. (to the same features as the Camera Raw in PS). Don't forget that the develop module of LR is just Camera Raw with a new interface.
Photo of Rob Cole

Rob Cole

  • 4831 Posts
  • 386 Reply Likes
Most Photoshop edits could also be made non-destructive for Lightroom (including clone/heal/content-aware brushes). Whether it's practical given:

* Current design of Lr
* Development effort required.
* Performance considerations.
* Current product partition (Lr | Photoshop)

is another matter...

Anyway, I think the new feathering which came in Lr5.2 (if I remember correctly) helped a fair amount, although I'm still hoping for additional improvement..

~R.
Photo of Michael Erlewine

Michael Erlewine

  • 3 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Spot-Removal Sub-Par.

The idea is simple. Please make Lightroom Spot Removal work as well as Photoshop Content-Aware spot removal. Seriously, the Spot Removal in Lightroom is really not up to par with the rest of the features of Lightroom. It hardly works half the time, picks the wrong area, etc. Please fix this.
Photo of Photo Dude

Photo Dude

  • 3 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom very lacking in a useful clone tool and user interface compared to Aper....

Would like Lightroom to have a good clone brush similar to aperture 3. Aperture 3 is light years ahead in this regard. It truly is a deal breaker for me wanting to switch over to Lightroom. Also Lightroom has too many tap modules. I really wish the Lightroom team would look at this in Aperture 3, much much simpler and useful of an interface. Again way to many tabs in Lightroom.
Photo of Ivar S

Ivar S

  • 4 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
Apparently this feature was not considered important.

Let's see again in couple of years, with LR7.
Photo of Paul Gardner

Paul Gardner

  • 7 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
With all the improvements in LR it's still lacking the content aware brush so it's still in the in the toy class compared to PS for landscaper shooters. Too bad they cater so much to the street and PJs shooters.
Photo of Del Pc

Del Pc

  • 2 Posts
  • 0 Reply Likes
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please improve "spot removal" tool in Lightroom.

Simple situation when I use "spot removal" tool. I work with photo and strong zoom. And only click something small (like removing dust from sensor on picture) to fix it automatically. Some time LR go to similar surface close to my fixed area and get good area to fix it. But many times this tool go to area oudside present zoom settings. In this situation is very tiring allways closing "spot removal" tool, finding area sampled by LR, moving it to _my_ desired area for this sample. And go back to "spot removal" and continue work. Please fix it!

Have two simple ideas to fix this problem: 1 - LR automatically looks for similar/best sample area _only_ in present zoom settings/window area. 2 - Have possibility to go to wrong sample area without leaving "spot removal" tool - simply by shifting working window area by mouse movement. Like in PS using "Retangle tool" :)

Or may be possibility to choose my own configuration between both this settings?

You can fix it?
Photo of Arnold Bartel

Arnold Bartel

  • 195 Posts
  • 51 Reply Likes
In some situations (e.g. removing objects from a structured background) it would be nice to get a mirroring clone stamp (like described here https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/mirror_paint_seamless_tile_paint_function?topic-reply-list[settings][page]=4#topic-reply-list )
Photo of Dan Hartford Photo

Dan Hartford Photo

  • 229 Posts
  • 90 Reply Likes
We Really need Content Aware in LR.  The Spot Removal tool has made great progress since its early days but needs a couple more tweaks.  Right now you can select from "Heal" and "Clone" as the mode for the tool.  WE REALLY NEED YOU TO ADD "CONTENT AWARE" to this list.
Photo of Leslie Templeton

Leslie Templeton

  • 1 Post
  • 0 Reply Likes
Yes!
Photo of Jurgen Lobert

Jurgen Lobert

  • 5 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
I support this request. The current clone/heal tool in LR does not work well, especially at the edges of images, it always leaves a dark or light shade. The current tool also does not pick a good source in about 40% of all cases and often picks a spot that is outside the cropped area, making it impossible to move. 
The simple spot healing brush tool in PS would be an ideal first step, as it simply interpolates nearby pixels to clone out a feature and only requires a brush stroke. A more advanced implementation would also include the regular healing brush (which requires to select a source). Thanks for considering this. 
Photo of Christopher Lazzaro

Christopher Lazzaro

  • 1 Post
  • 2 Reply Likes
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Its been requested for 8 years on this website. - A simple Content Aware.

Hey Adobe, you have Content Aware in photoshop. It works great. Its the only tool batch editors like my self who use Lightroom use in Photoshop. I understand the option to take photos from LR into PS with a simple key stroke but it still saves the file as a JPEG back in LR.
PLEASE INCORPORATE CONTENT AWARE BRUSH IN LR. 
Photo of Don Smith

Don Smith

  • 9 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Has anyone seen an actual reply from anyone at Adobe on this?  If it ever happens, I bet it will be in the new CC and not Classic CC (where I want it).  
Photo of Jurgen Lobert

Jurgen Lobert

  • 5 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Not yet. However, so far both LR versions get the same new features. The cloud version appears to get more because it is missing a lot of Classic features, but I haven't seen it get a new feature that Classic doesn't have or gets. I, too, want this in the Classic version.
Photo of allen.conway

allen.conway

  • 10 Posts
  • 1 Reply Like
Content Aware works well when it works well. It often requires additional work to be done to finish the job. Work that involves layers. Layers that don't exist in LR.
Also, CA  modifies the image while LR never changes the original image, so I'd have thought that could make doing what you ask a wee bit iffy. It would also reduce the need to pay for PS which Adobe might consider not in its interest. 
Also (bis), PS saves back into LR as a PSD or TIFF - no layers with JPG. 
Good luck with your request !
(Edited)
Photo of Jurgen Lobert

Jurgen Lobert

  • 5 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
You don't need layers to make CA work. Right now, when you use the clone function in LR, it says "take content from spot Y and put it on the spot X that you chose. You can select between clone and heal. What we want is the spot healing brush functionality that says "average the existing information around spot X and outside the selection, and put it on spot X". It would work exactly as it does, except better. The current functionality is broken, especially if your application it at the edge of the image, where the average only comes from two directions, not four.
Photo of Marc Labro

Marc Labro

  • 34 Posts
  • 2 Reply Likes
yes, we need a content aware retouch brush. i become crazy with the lightroom clone tool which doesn't allow to paint or doesn't manage overlap of strokes,...
i have switched to on1 photoraw to have this tool, several color enhancer/hsl layers, blend modes

marc
Photo of Laura Shoe

Laura Shoe, Champion

  • 44 Posts
  • 20 Reply Likes
Lightroom 5, 6 and Classic do allow you to click and drag to paint, Marc. I always paint with feather at 0 so that there are no issues with overlapping paint strokes, then I adjust feathering afterwards.
Photo of Marc Labro

Marc Labro

  • 34 Posts
  • 2 Reply Likes
hallo Laura,
i was speaking about removing a distracting element where it clones a stupid zone you must move because not content aware. then, because you didn't remove the whole object, you want to "brush" the remaining part which operlaps (pin area !) and it doesn't want so you need to put cursor far awy from previous zone and you can now overlap... prehistory compared to on1, photoshop, luminar and topazlabs. in itself ACR/LR are prehistoric. i agree new profiles,... make it more nice but it takes years to make what other softwares made already 5 yeras ago with other tools.
even capture nx2 ten years ago has a super erasing tool and color efex pro 3 with blend modes,...

marc
Photo of Laura Shoe

Laura Shoe, Champion

  • 44 Posts
  • 20 Reply Likes
Hi Marc,

Type H to temporarily hide pin - then you can put another fix on top of the area. Then H again to reveal.  That said, I know that the tool is limited.
Photo of Jordan Russell

Jordan Russell

  • 19 Posts
  • 9 Reply Likes
This is my most desired feature for Lightroom, ahead of focus stacking.

The ability to select a source point as with the clone stamp tool is sorely lacking from the spot removal tool. I have to keep creating new areas and run into problems with overlapping. The spot removal tool also produces very undesirable results when used at the edge of the image.

With this introduction, I'd be able to move my workflow to Lightroom for all but the most advanced edits. Cloning is far too commonly used to not have in my primary editing tool - Lightroom.