Lightroom mobile: I would like to synchronize over LAN instead of internet

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LR mobile sync is extremely slow. Giving me an option to sync locally would be excellent. And I'm sure very useful for professionals travelling in areas where internet is limited/non-existent or expensive and time consuming.

Come on Adobe. If this is designed for professionals this slow sync and data usage issues on global data roaming....? It simply isn't practical. The product as is can't be recommended as is.

(please also add keywords, ratings, labels to app functionality)
Thanks!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Synch without the Cloud.

Synchronization between devices is great but right now the only way to do so seems to be via your cloud service. This is slow compared to via a local network or cable connection and in addition the 20GB cap on the Photography Plan means that I cannot store original RAW files on my ipad and then synch them to my desktop due to this data cap. I typically am off the grid for a week at a time and with 60-75MB RAW files 20GB is reached quickly. While off the grid I cull images and rate them thus the need to synch rather than just copy from my device. For me the current system for synching is a deal breaker as I will not pay Adobe's $10/mnth additional fee to move from 20GB to 1TB when I will not be actually storing images in the cloud and the synching process is so slow. It has meant that I will be abandoning Adobe products for the foreseeable future rather than subscribing to the photography plan. If a more workable solution for synching my originals was in place then I would subscribe.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic: Sync Lightroom Classic to Mobile without subscription via Wifi....

I'd like to see adobe add the ability to view and edit photos across connected platforms either via Wifi or Bluetooth

Most professional photographers or travelers don't have access to the internet (or it's very slow) while traveling so editing locally would be much better.

I'd prefer Lightroom to be able to connect and see photos locally so we can start an edit on Mobile and continue on PC without needing an internet connection. 

To be clear adobe (agents) we don't want a Lightroom cc Plan because we don't have interent connections. 

Look forward from hearing from other users and also Adobe.
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Lightroom mobile does not work over Ethernet for me on a pixel phone or a Chromebook. Every other app on my phone or Chromebook works fine. At least I'd like to sync to creative cloud using my Ethernet connection.
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You know why they won't implement any practical solution ? Because they want you to hit the 20Go ceiling and purchase a bigger storage plan. That’s why they won’t make it easy to bypass the online solution...
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Exactly, it’s entirely a money grab but it’s short sighted. For many of us requiring the snyching of originals via the cloud cripples their software. For me it’s a deal breaker so rather than getting more $ from me for more storage they aren’t getting a dime because I won’t subscribe to any of their plans unless this roadblock is removed.
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Interestingly, I thought that the 20GB limit would work differently than it does when integrating with Classic CC. I decided to try syncing a my entire catalog with the cloud, just to see how quickly it ran out of space, and made an interesting discovery: Smart Previews don't count against the 20GB cap. Since they also sync relatively quickly, this actually makes Lightroom usable as an edit-and-view-anywhere service for pros using Classic CC. I have a 50k+ image catalog synced with the cloud, and I'm using less than 1GB of my 20GB of space.

There are still some things I wish worked differently: I still would like LAN sync, nested folders in collections carrying over to Lightroom CC would be most welcome, and keyword handling still has issues. Overall, though, I'm getting happier with the service and how it integrates with my workflow and needs.
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I was actually wondering whether it has to do with Sensei.
Anyway, collaborating with one of the major NAS brands (QNAP, Synology) could solve many problems in one go: faster sync speed, decent catalogue backups, privacy of images, access to the catalogue from various devices (desktop, laptop, tablet, smart tv, Webbrowser), storage capacity,...
Why is Adobe ignoring these benefits? Even if Sensei was one of the reasons why Adobe is pushing towards the cloud, they could synchronize relevant metadata between the NAS and Adobe Cloud.
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This seems likely, but it still seems like they're forcing pros to use (what they hope will be) their consumer service (not unlike Apple, but at least Adobe still has their pro DAM/processing app). No matter how good Sensei gets, it's not going to meet most pros' needs (great, you identified that shot as a bird, but I want to categorize by what kind of bird), and the volume of shots a pro can generate over a short period of time and then have to wait to bounce to Adobe's servers and then back down to tablet/phone, far outstrips most casual photographers.

Even with the discovery that Smart Previews don't count against the 20GB quota doesn't eliminate the irritation of being forced into a slower workflow because Adobe has some fantasy that they're going to compete with Apple and Google for the masses' photo processing and cloud storage needs. It's not going to happen, and forcing your best, most loyal customers to jump through suboptimal hoops while you chase the impossible dream doesn't really do anybody any good.
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Right, and smart previews particularly don’t help if I want to load images on my iPad first (while travelling) and then continue working on my desktop afterwards, since I am forced to sync all my 30mb raw files over the cloud.
I completely agree with what you are saying while trying to understand why Adobe is prohibiting modern mobile workflows (which in my opinion should allow backups and culling without a laptop).
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For a "mobile-first" workflow while traveling, they really have no good answer at this point if you don't want to upgrade to 1TB of storage (and give them another $10/mo). The best you can do if you want to do some editing while on the road is keep Lightroom from syncing, then let it sync overnight after you get back and move the synced files from the Mobile folder to your normal folder hierarchy. This only works if you take less than 20GB of photos while traveling, though (or cull and delete to keep under that number) - for short trips, that should be fine, but for longer trips, it may not be workable.

Again, this wouldn't be necessary if they weren't forcing pros to piggyback on a consumer service for very little discernible reason, beyond "it's easier for Adobe".
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Well said. This sums things up perfectly.
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Smart previeuws don't count in the quota? I'll have to check this out!! :)
Actually, I'd be fine to sync 20 Go at a time. It's fine to have a higer pricetag for the 1To storage, which I don't need. The only thing I'm missing is something to tell me which pictures has already been synced (and I delete or move to smart previews syncs).
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Hi All,

I think I've found a bit of a workaround for Mac/iPhone, although it's not a perfect solution.

* Plug your iPhone into iTunes.
* Go to File Sharing.
* Click on Lightroom CC Mobile (MLCC).
* Copy the catalogue file onto your desktop (581964c.. etc).

* Open Lightroom CC on your Desktop (DLCC).
* Open DLCC preferences, then click local storage.
* Make sure "store a copy of all originals at specifies location" is selected.
* Then choose a location for the originals to be stored, in my case, I have this folder stored on my RAID.
* Click done and navigate to this folder.
* Inside it, you'll see the same file structure as the MLCC folder that you just saved to your desktop.
* Copy the contents of the 'Originals' folder from the MLCC folder and paste it into the 'Originals' folder that you created for DLCC.
* Now import this DLCC originals folder into Lightroom Classic CC, making sure not to apply any presets on import.
* Lightroom Classic CC will now only download the adjustments from the Adobe cloud and save them as 'virtual copies'.

It's not a perfect solution but, in a pinch, it should save you some time..

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I tried this and it didn't work for me. The files in the MLCC "Originals" folder download from iTunes have a long string of letters and digits added to the file names. When I add those files to DLCC they are synced to the Cloud as new files since the file names don't match the original file names.

As a result, I wind up with two copies of the images:

1) The original photos taken by the MLCC app, and
2) the photos with the extra letters/digits in their file name.

I'm using Mobile version 4.0 and LR CC 2019. It's possible that something changed in these newer versions to stop the workaround from functioning correctly.
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+1 for WLAN sync. Would love to be able to sync iPad to MacBook when I’m off grid.
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Actually, I am on vacation and have found a very simple workflow for using my iPad and LR CC Mobile with no internet access. I upload my photos to my iPad using the SD card reader to Camera Roll. I work on the photos in LR CC Mobile, PS Express, Snapseed, etc. and save them back to Camera Roll. I then back up using a WD Passport wireless drive. I check to make sure I have all photos on the drive using the My Cloud App and then copy all my RAW shots to the Passport which has an SD card slot. I format my card and I am good to go for the next day. Short, sweet and simple and no internet needed.
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But can you copy the raw files with all the edits? Or only the finished JPGs?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled We need to be able to transfer our edited photos from an iPad to a desktop via a ....

This is getting out of hand. Almost every photographer I know would rather edit on the road with an iPad. Especially since it LR mobile runs significantly faster than classic on a desktop. But transferring all of our edited files back to our desktop at home via wifi is absurd. Especially as MP count goes up on cameras. I shot 200 photos today, and it has taken 5 hours to upload half of them to the adobe server to transfer to classic. And I have the fastest internet speed my provider has available. This is so stupid. The iPad is sitting in front of the computer and I can't simply connect them so my time is wasted. FIX THIS ADOBE!!!!!
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We also take a lot of raw photos while traveling (often with no internet available) and would like to both cull and make initial edits using the iPad Pro, and then transfer the original culled raw plus edits to a desktop once home. We use Lightroom Classic at home and do not otherwise need to use the CC for our photography needs. All we need is the ability to use a local LAN. In our case airdrop would be sufficient. We do use the CC library for InDesign and PS work, etc. but transferring large numbers of RAW photos wirelessly makes for a poorly functioning yet expensive workflow. 
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Another vote for what is nothing more than a PITA
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Idea: USB syncing (and Wi-Fi syncing) between devices.

The idea is pretty simple, allow devices to sync when plugged in over USB. Open up Lightroom on the mobile device and on desktop, and have an option to press for USB syncing, so that originals and smart previews including edits and album structure can be synced over.

Eg: Raws I imported onto my iPad Pro should sync to my desktop over USB. And vice versa.

The devices can still sync to the cloud, but it will save time and data usage of having to re-download images that you already have stored locally.


And if possible, the same but Wi-Fi syncing, desktop and device or two devices connected direct over Wi-Fi (one in hot spot mode?).
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I like the idea from a practicality standpoint. Unfortunately, I don't think this is currently possible on iOS, but this year's new Apple OS releases may address that. iOS/iPadOS devices will now appear in/sync via the Finder (rather than iTunes), but I'm still not sure if it would be possible. WiFi may be more universally useable.
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I can sync files directly from device to device (both windows and Mac laptops, my QNAP web server, etc.) using Resilio Sync over WLAN now, so I don't think it's a current iOS limitation.
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Oh, WiFi sync has been possible for a long time - I was talking about USB sync between Mac and iOS not currently being possible in a way that would be useful for Lightroom users.
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Oh yeah, I think you are right on that front.
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I honestly don’t think it’s a technical limitation but rather:
1) Totally not the priority. Many bugs ares still not fixed, so this kind of request, if on the roadmap, will be very low in the pile
2) Totally out of scope as it would go against Adobe market to sell more cloud storage.
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I don't think there's ever been any doubt that it's a business decision, rather than technical. We're just hoping that, if we make enough noise for long enough, Adobe will realize that they're forcing loyal customers to jump through ridiculous hoops, and making those customers happy might be worthwhile.

The switch to subscription has worked out very, very well for Adobe's bottom line. I honestly think that the Photography Plan is a pretty good deal, considering that I get Lightroom (in several flavors), Photoshop, 20GB of cloud storage (most of which goes unused because of the miracle that is Smart Previews), and website hosting for one small monthly fee. Even with all that, though, there is a limit on how much aggravation even loyal customers will endure, and ignoring those areas where the current cloud sync model falls flat on its face is a pretty major aggravation for a company to ignore.

I don't have any major complaints with the current system in my day-to-day use, but anything that involves travel is a major pain point, and it's astonishing that Adobe has not figured out a solution. I'm hoping that the coming of iPadOS (and similar enhancements to iOS) will spur some fresh thinking at Adobe.
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I hope you're right, but... have keywords sync been implemented yet ? Stacks ? Pano/HDR? Are the recent updates the most requested features or even bug fixes ?

Not sure Adobe cares about photographers anymore. Casual cell phone users wanting cloud storage is, imho, Adobe's new target.

They're making a shitload of money and that's the only thinkg that counts. And who could blame them? But luckily competition is working hard to bring good software. Let's hope this pressure wil help.
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I choose to live in hope.

Just like everyone these days, Adobe is chasing the mass market, but I honestly don't see them making major inroads on the consumer side - the offerings from Google/Apple/Insta are good enough that I really can't see why that market would pay anything for Adobe's cloud (Lightroom, not Classic) photography plan. The average consumer is just never going to bother with raw on their phone, and without that, why would anybody bother with any version of Lightroom?

So, long run, I think that professionals are Adobe's core business, and at some point, they'll start providing the features that professionals keep asking for. Nobody else has the end-to-end solution that Adobe has, even with the annoyances, but that may not hold forever. If Capture One came up with an iPad version and syncing (whether cloud or local), it would certainly make things more interesting.
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I sometimes receive user surveys from up and coming LR competitors. Judging from the content of those surveys it is clear they will be nipping at Adobe's heels soon enough.
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Coudn’t agree more ;-)

But is living in hope acceptable when you pay this much for a software (in euro, it’s like buying a soft every year!) ?

Agreed, LR is for, at least enthusiastic photographs. But are the latest dates answers to the needs of this target? Lightroom “non-classic”? Tutorials? Not sure this is an answer to “Classic” users. Users who were happy with a perpetual license and who are expecting more from a subscription (because more expensive)

Also agreed:
“Nobody else has the end-to-end solution that Adobe has, even with the annoyances, but that may not hold forever. If Capture One came up with an iPad version and syncing (whether cloud or local), it would certainly make things more interesting.”
To be honest, that’s (and laziness) is what keeps enthusiasts and pros with LR. IMHO, there are too many bugs, limitations and restrictions for smooth and pro workflow integration. The moment a good pro workflow will be available, people will massively switch to that one ;-)
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@avpman, could you elaborate?
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ON1, and Capture one are the biggies. They have a ways to go toward an end to end solution. Check 'em out and decide for yourself. I'm still holding out for Adobe to clean up LR but it seems with every release there are more and more problems.
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with every release there are more and more problems
That last comment is nonsense.
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Thanks avpman! I wasn’t sure about your point but I totally agree. I’ll definitely check them out when my subscription expires. I hope they’ll have a good mobile workflow, because that’s literally the only thing holding me back.
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That's the problem - nobody else has anything resembling a mobile workflow. On1 and Capture One have mobile apps, but they don't do any processing on mobile - On1's was just a gallery (the app seems to have disappeared, actually), and Capture Pilot is a gallery/rating app with a remote camera control option.
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Let's wait for IOS 13.0 and we will see what we will do with our iPad because it is expected that we can connect an external disk to our tablets .... Because, really, via the Internet it is not viable in many languages. places in the world called the Earth!


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any experience?
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No update regarding this request despite iOS 13. And frankly, you can forget about it. It's not even under consideration. Adobe is focussing on the cloud; Classic is as good as dead, don't expect new big features, imho. You'll get some bug fixes and cosmetic improvements, but nothing more, I'm afraid.
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My download speed is 40mbps.
My upload speed is 7mbps

It is not the fastest, but it is the second fastest provider in my country. And I cannot use LR Mobile, because it wont sync raw files. I left it on for 2 days nonstop. didn't went over 3%...

So not only that the sync is slow for some.
It is also non existent for others. 
It was like it tryed and then gave up.

I upload and download large files to services as wetransfer, myairbridge on regular basis and those work. I don't know why LR wouldn't then?

I had to start with all the edits and selections over. 
Now I am looking for solution while paying for 1tb plan which i cant use.

take my vote.
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Just to add some water to the mill:

I've just returned from a week of shooting with about 60 Go of photos stored on my iPad. I had no or very limited access to internet, so syncing on the field was not an option.

Now the only way I have to transfer those images on my computer, is by letting my iPad sync, which despite a good connection is still a slow process. Firstly, 60 Go is a significant amount of data. Secondly, I have the feeling my bandwidth is not the bottleneck, but the servers.

Furthermore, those 60 Go have to be synced in 3 or more times. Getting a larger plan is not an option, because: 1) I would only use it a couple of times a year 2) there is no monthly option, only yearly 3) LR is already expensive enough like this 4) Getting a bigger plan would only help the syncing process, but not speed up the process and 5) would be wasted when connection is poor, which is frequently the case.

Lastly, I end up having to delete those images from the cloud, preventing me from keeping the 1:1 images I had. I have to re-sync smart previews back to my iPad. So we end up with two, slow and long, destructive process.

I hope Adobe will start to take customer's feedback into account ;-)
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For the users of iPad and computers Apple where AirDrop works:

A thing to be known if they load memory of photographs since a card on an iPad, these pictures are visible in application PHOTOGRAPH, then, if they do not have automate fact to import everything in LR, alone those that they will have wanted to treat, will have ètè transferred in LR and have to be synchronized via the Internet process defined by Adobe.

I have just tried since my iPad (PHOTOGRAPH application) towards my iMac. by using AirDrop, the raw raw was transferred in some seconds (15 pictures of 17.5 MB about, of course possible developments made in LR on my iPad are lost.

I know, it is a work-around, but this can help!



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Well, loosing improvements or ratings is useless. For the pure backup purpose I could just use multiple cards...

Shame, Adobe is not solving this problem. Cloud is not an option for travel photography. Just trying to sync 3000 images (started 4 days ago). Just hope there is any other company to develop a reasonable solution for this problem.
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I hope too. The first apply that will allow post-processing and RAW (DNG) export on IPAD will be immediately the big winner ! By By Adobe ;-)
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Even the pure rating process would be a major improvement...

On location / while travelling:
1) take pictures
2) load them on the iPad
3) rate pictures

Back home:
4) load images via WiFi or (even preferred!) via cable on my computer
5) import or sync rating info, possibly as exif files in ANY editing software

Totally agree, won‘t stick to Adobe if someone else eventually supports a mobile workflow.
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PS: let‘s see what the upcoming ON1 Photo Sync will provide. Sounds promising already...
https://www.on1.com/products/photo-ra...
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That’s looks great. I’ll be giving on1 a go for sure. Awesome!
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Heeeeey !!!!!
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"We put the photographer first, and this means customers have complete control over every aspect of their photography, including having a say in the products we develop. Photographers also control how they purchase ON1 software, where they store photos, their choice in capture devices, as well as their choice in cloud storage provider. Having total control over photographic and video editing style is also central to using ON1 products."

Haha, they know Adob's product all too well :D :D :D
I'm looking forward to ginving it a try!!