Lightroom: does not create a duplicate file for external editing - sends original

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Lightroom version: 4.2 [850741]
When trying to "Edit In Adobe Photoshop CS6" i am used to seeing a tiff file open up in photoshop.

This is not occurring regardless of settings and preference modifications: lightroom is not duplicating the original jpg as a tiff to "send" to photoshop.
It instead sends the original.
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When you hit Ctrl-S or Cmd-S to save, does it create the TIFF file?
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Hi Vic, no.. the workflow is such that when in lightroom, and you right click to edit externally, it's supposed to MAKE the tiff then, and send THAT file to photoshop.
Current it simply sends the original to photoshop.. as a normal "locked layer" jpeg.

I can of course "save as" from photoshop, but if you forget after a couple years of "workflow habit" you've just pooched your original.

Preferences in Lightroom are currently set to "edit a copy"

With regular "lightroom preferences to make a tiff file"

It worked correctly with 4.1... I'm using 4.2

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No, you shouldn't have to Save As. I asked about Save.

There's a diagram of the expected behaviour here: http://members.lightroomqueen.com/ind...

Just try it on a duplicate file (so you can safely try just pressing Save without worrying about it pooching your original)
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Hi Vic,
Thanks for the diagrams.
The workflow shown is what's expected, but it is not occurring on any option. Lightroom does not create the tiff first.

The raw workflow is not applicable.
I even checked my windows write permissions on the folders and they are as expected.

Following your thoughts to try saving the ps file it overwrites the original (which I had duplicated for the test.

Lightroom is not creating the tiff as we expect.
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Ok, I'll investigate further.

This is a JPEG? And you're Windows? And CS6 is updated to ACR 7.2?

Can you confirm which option you're choosing? The Edit a Copy with Lightroom Adjustments option?
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hi Victoria, yes to all of the above.
subscribed cs6 master with Lightroom 4.2, win7x64, amd quad, 16g ram, hd5850 video
and of course all updates and reboots
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okay... so for sh*ts and giggles, I figured I'd do some maintenance - defrags, disk checks, tmp cleanups, etc.
Did a proper shut down, booted up again and waited for everything to settle in, had a coffee, walked the dog, you know, the usual.

Fired up lightroom again and duplicated an image.
With the duplicate, I sent it to the external editor "bokeh 2" from Alien Skin - which was my defacto go to filter prior to CS6.
Lightroom created a tiff IMMEDIATELY and opened that up in the plugin's window (no photoshop)
I then did the same thing for photoshop, and it's still not making a duplicate.
However, when I click save in photoshop NOW, it saves the "imported lightroom file" as a tiff.

But the image is still not duplicated prior to the "send to" as it was with the Bokeh 2 plug in - which would be the traditional work flow.

For now, it's working as expected - after everything is said and done, but definitely not the preferred workflow.

In the photo, I chose the image from lightroom, and sent "with effects" to photo shop, and it's plainly the "original".
Saving however now creates a TIFF but does not provide a dialogue box to alert you to this fact - nor are you confident that you're even WORKING with a duplicate.

The Alien Skin method, plainly creates and adds the tiff to your lightroom filmstrip, and then opens that in the plugin editing window.

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fyi, this still occurs - so it's not "solved"
it's a bug... Lightroom should create a tiff file for editing, save it to the lightroom filmstrip and send it to photoshop for editing.

Or send it as a "tmp" file in tiff format that appears in the file name tab at the top of the photoshop winodw to alert you to the fact you are indeed working with a tiff (or the file format you set in lightroom prefs)

This process works as expected when being sent to a third party app, but does not work as expected with Photoshop.

When you go to save the file it does prompt to be saved as a tiff, but it is clearly labeled as the file name it is in lightroom, so the fear "each time" is that you are about to overwrite the original.

That I now know the issue and can work around it does become habitual - but it is not correct.

I would assume then that whatever method of file identification was used in CS5 and earlier should be examined and applied to CS6 as an update patch.