Lightroom and InDesign working together, at last

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Hi!
I suggest that images in a published collection
get a drag-and-drop functionality.

This way you could place images out of Lightroom into
InDesign using the proxy jpeg, psd etc.

Guaranteeing an organized workflow
and a lot of happiness for designers.
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  • serious ;-)

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Drag and drop to InDesign is already available.

Regardless of whether the image is merely in a Folder or a Collection or a Published Collection, provided it is not a RAW data image I can drag directly to InDesign.

Mac OSX Lion
LR 4.2
ID CS6
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Dang. I can't. Some sort of voodoo...
I SO want this functionality. where is it 3 years later?
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Still cant do it,  still cant find the "how" on any forum.  Feel stupid per above DRogers reply,  Anybody feel sorry for me?
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"provided it is not a RAW data image" ... that's the whole point and what the OP mentioned if ID could use the "proxy jpeg, psd etc." ( I assume he means jpeg preview) rather than having to export derivative files for every image you wish to use in InDesign ... then ID could use your Lr/ACR settings and export the images when you want to "publish" your ID document ...

Though Adobe could go a long way in alleviating the problem altogether if they would allow custom page sizes in the Book module so we could export designs to be used by vendors other than Blurb ...
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Ah, I see a little further now.

Yes it would be useful for anyone working on an ID project to "place" references to the files via the proxy jpg of a Raw file. Once approved or completed those files could then be processed and re-placed in the document before going to press/publish.

In a multi person office environment where design or selection of images is often by committee it could be useful. Although Im not convinced it would guarantee an organized workflow.
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Hi.
This is what I mean:
Right now, when I prepare images for ID work,
I create collections in LR, often with virtual copies.
I then publish the collections and place them
MANUALLY into InDesign
(open Explorer or Bridge, find the folder, find the files ... place)

It would be nice if I could drag the images out of the collection
that is sitting right in front of me on the screen, over to ID.

A republishing after further retouching etc
updates the images, of course.
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How niche a workflow is this? Wouldn't far more people be far happier if the Lightroom development bods allocated all their book publishing effort solely to LR Book?

It's probably more of a job for the InDesign team anyway, so see http://forums.adobe.com/community/ind.... For now, look into InDesign scripts. If you want something right now, it's certainly possible to add images automatically to a layout.
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This is not about publishing simple photo albums.

It's about brochures, books etc. challenging in typography,
design and multilingual copy.

This workflow would be used by every designer
who organizes his images in an LR catalog
with LR and ID on his system,
avoiding the use of Bridge in most cases.

You cannot program something in InDesign,
hoping that somehow magically LR changes behaviour and gives you
the link to a dragged and dropped object.

By the way,
offering a link to a known destination
through drag and drop shouldn't be too tough to implement.

Thank you for considering and evaluating this idea
for your workflow.
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Lightroom though is primarily for photographers and their workflows, not designers. Designers also tend to be bigger Bridge users, and for other good reasons, so why would they want to avoid it?

We always think the things we want shouldn't be too tough to implement. Somehow here Lightroom has to be made to respond to drag and drop into an InDesign layout, and that means somehow you're going to have to pick up the dimensions from InDesign and send them back to LR for it to export. Think down the line. What happens when you resize in InDesign? Say it doesn't matter and pretty soon you'll have the "it doesn't do my oddball requirement how can you call this a professional application" crowd moaning. So that's another complexity to build in. And why should InDesign rather than Dreamweaver or Mush etc get special treatment? OK, let's say a convincing special case could be made for LR-InDesign integration by drag and drop, you'll probably then have Bridge-using designers whining loudly. So you're going to have to add raw decoding capability to InDesign. A few ways to do that, of course. Shouldn't be too tough.....

I don't dismiss the value of the idea, just suggest it would be a long way down the list of features that would make far more people far happier. And as I say, I suggest you investigate InDesign scripting. Combined with a publish to hard drive service, you can certainly improve the LR-ID workflow right now, and you may find that more rewarding than waiting.
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You think very thoroughly and have some great ideas for interactivity between ID and LR. This is even better in some ways than the original idea. ;-)
But my proposal was a far easier one.

By the way,
I am a software developer, too.

You should take that idea of yours and follow it through further.
I think it's a great one.
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Maybe you didn't notice, but I am already using the publish to hard drive service.
The only missing thing is the link to the published files, provided through drag and drop. :-)

Benefit is, you can sort and filter, even add further metadata instantly in LR. And place the files into InDesign, Dreamweaver, Mush, ...
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Hi john.
Let's not destroy, but buil together :-)

If there is a drag and drop functionality,
of course ALL programs would benefit from it.
That's the point after all, isn't it.

I only wrote "InDesign", because I actually have been working
a lot with LR and InDesign and all the time I hit this problem.
So it is an issue taken from practical experience, not wish thinking.

Well, john - you are partly right about the sizes, but actually
if you define the size for the publish service,
it will always publish the images in that size ...
so, where is the problem?

:-)
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But it's a matter of building the right thing for photographers....

There is in fact a generic drag and drop functionality - but it's limited to Mac. But in the case of InDesign you're still only dropping the original at its original size, not a copy properly optimised for the final output size.
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Correct. Modern designers always use files larger than needed and often in larger and more generic color profiles. Just to be media neutral and generic.
Optimization, transparency flattening and color conversion only occurs during final publishing, when media size, type and so on is determined.

So, dropping the published file by LR is fine. That's all I was suggesting.
:-)
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What is the right thing for photographers?

Well, a lot of photographers - not all of them - are sitting in their own pond thinking that's all there is to the photographic world.

Photographs only live if they are presented appropriately.
I for example am not a specialist in ONE thing but rather
strive for the best in software design, photography and graphic design.

This is a unique signature in the market for everyone who practices the same.
But if you think bigger than 'one person' and more realistic - you have media agencies all over the world, where photography and design live in a close symbiotic relationship.
- that of course, is right for photographers.

But you know that already, right?
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The right thing is giving Lightroom users the most bangs for Adobe development bucks - and that's not to pour them away on InDesign integration. The rest seems a bit "hot air", don't you think?
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Ok, let's cool it down then. And see what crystallizes to real substance.
The decision is for Adobe to make.

By the way, I like you being the fire that fines the gold.
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Somebody from Adobe also thinking about making RAW images more usable through the Lightroom catalog system to third party software?

What are your ideas?
(I suggested published folders with drag-and-drop functionality, see above)
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Just want to add something.

I used to use Apple's Aperture for my photos and had seemless integration with InDesign. I could import a photo from Aperture, and go back to Aperture and make tons of changes. The next time I opened InDesign, it'd ask me whether I wanted to update the InDesign version of the image from Aperture. Everything worked perfectly.

I'm now in photo school and we use Lightroom. I migrated all my aperture photos to Lightroom, assuming that Lightroom would integrate with InDesign just like Aperture.

This functionality is crucial for me. There are other people out there (not just Foto VI) who really want this functionality. I might be forced to go back to Aperture....

Finally: InDesign 4 doesn't let me import raw files. Does CS6 fix this? A brief google search seems to say no. This would also be a super important functionality for me.