Lightroom: Export does not follow "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" LR 3.5

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As far as I can tell the the Export module(?) in LR 3.5 does not follow the setting "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" anymore.

Just take any image with at least one hierarchical keyword, use the built in "Hard drive" export, check both "Add to catalog" and Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy", Click "Export" and see what happens to the keywords in the new file.

This is particularly a problem if you need or want to export versions of an image and have them imported back into your catalog. This causes all of your hierarchical keywords to be lost and all of the individual elements and all of their synonyms to be added as plain keywords. It makes quite a mess of your keywords.

This effects any third party filters or applications that use export to create intermediate tiff files from RAW originals. One example is NIK HDR Efex Pro.

I have reverted back to 3.4.1 until this new problem is fixed.
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Rob Cole

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I was unable to recreate this problem - Following instructions, the hierarchy was intact...
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Thanks for testing this Rob. It is happening to me every time so I tried some more tests and found an additional condition.

Unset the "Include on Export" for any term in your hierarchy and try again. What I am seeing is that those terms are being removed from the hierarchy causing the next lower lever term to become the top level.

I happen to use quite a few of this type of term in my keywords to aid in my organization so this is causing me a lot of problems with incorrect keywords when the new file is imported back into Lighroom.

I retested with 3.4.1 and confirmed that it is not happing there so this is definitely something new in 3.5. I don't think that this is correct since I would expect export hierarchy to export the whole hierarchy not part of the hierarchy.

-louie
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Don't you feel you are trying to ask Lightroom to do two contradictory tasks - export the hierarchy info, and yet keep elements of that hierarchy private?

John
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John, that is certainly a valid point and in fact Adobe apparently agrees because I just reread the release notes for 3.5 and there under "Bugs Fixed" section is the following which I read earlier but did not fully understand.

"When exporting images with the “Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy” enabled, keywords with “Include on Export” deselected would still have been included on export"

So my feature is someone else's bug...

My problem here is that sometimes I do want to keep them private, for example when sending out to an public web site but when I go to a public site I never want or need the hierarchy. However, sometimes I don't want to keep them private, for instance when I want to reimport the result.

Specifically this is a problem when using Nik HDR Efex Pro where they use the Export function to prepare a set of tiff files for input their HDR merge and the resulting HDR image is then automatically brought back into your library. With this "fix" in 3.5 it completely breaks my keywords.

This also means that you can never use export to round trip any images back into your catalog and be guaranteed that your LR keywords won't get somehow messed up. For example you cannot now batch process a bunch images to jpeg and put them back into your catalog be sure that they will all get identical keywords assigned which is probably what you would expect.

Additionally it means that as of 3.5 if you use "private" keywords and HEP with Lightroom the chances are that you are going to regularly if not always mess up your keywords when processing HDR images.

The best solution I can think of that will address all of the issues is to add an option in the export dialog to "Keep complete hierarchy" that will tell export to always include the full hierarchy for each assigned keyword.

I should probably close out this as solved and open a new suggestion.

-louie
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Please mark this as solved.

I have opened a feature request here:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

-louie
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I'm not actually using hierarchical keywords but I experienced a problem with my SmugMug exports that is related.

I have a flat keyword structure. All of the keywords were created by simply typing them into Lightroom. After installing Lightroom 3.5 I noticed a lot of keywords were not being applied to images in SmugMug (rendering my smart galleries useless). After I found Lewis Sherwin's problem, I went back and reviewed my keywords. For some reason the Include on Export was unchecked on some keywords, seemingly random. I reset all of the keywords and now they export fine.

I'm not sure how the Include on Export became unchecked. All keywords were created using the same procedure albeit over the years. But all is well. Thanks Lewis.