Lightroom Classic: Transform doesn't copy/sync correctly

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Transform settings don't always copy/sync correctly to other photos. To reproduce:

1. Download this photo and make a copy of it in the same folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dflc03vke3be0zb/transform-bug.2020.02.19.jpg?dl=0

2. Import both photos.

3. Select both photos and go to Develop.

4. In the Transform panel, click Auto.

5. Click Sync, check only Upright Mode, then Synchronize.

6. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

7. Reset the develop settings of both photos.

8. Repeat steps 4 - 6, but this time check Upright Transforms in Sync.

9. Observe that the two photos have been transformed slightly differently.

See this thread for the original reports:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/transform-tool-problems-since-latest-update-in-ligh...

Tested in LR 9.2 / Mac OS 10.14.6.
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I noticed this too!  This feature is critical to my photography business and workflow.  I reverted back to 9.1 until this is resolved.  
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John,

There is more issues with transform than what you have listed.

According to Adobes woefully outdated helps files the copy/paste, sync and AutoSync is supposed to work as documented here.


This is also documented in an always excellent blog by Julianne Kost in the following link
https://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-upright-sync-behavior.html

Unfortunately the copy/paste etc of Transform Auto. Level, Vertical etc. works the opposite of what it is supposed to do and in one scenario will not show the result till you cursor off and back on the photo.  

Original photos



Scenario 1 using Autosync

Select the two photos
Turn on AutoSync
Do Auto in Transform

You get the following result which is opposite of the documented behavior




Scenario 2 using Copy/Paste or Sync with "Upright Mode" in the Copy/Paste dialog

Select the left photo
Do Auto in Transform
Select Copy and chose only "Upright Mode" and hit Copy
Select the right photo
Select Paste

You get the following result which is opposite of the documented behavior




Scenario 3 using Copy/Paste or Sync with "Upright Transformations" in the Copy/Paste dialog

Select the left photo
Do Auto in Transform
Select Copy and chose only "Upright Transformations" and hit Copy
Select the right photo
Select Paste

When you first Paste you get the following result which should be the documented behavior


BUT, click the left photo and then the right photo and it changes to the following which is opposite of the documented behavior.


  Even though the end result is wrong, the fact you have to click off and then back on the photo to make it work is especially disconcerting to the user.



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Hi Robert,

Is this issue similar to what John has posted?
If it is different, could you please provide sample images for us to investigate the same?

Thanks,
Arjun
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Arjun

This is definitely a different problem than the one John posted.  In Johns scenario the Copy/Paste resulted in a different adjustment of the house.  Here the result of the copy/paste results in the SAME correction in the 3 different scenarios but the results are the opposite what is in the documentation.  In addition, in scenarios 3 you have to click off and on the photo to make the result happen.  

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@John Ellis
I can replicate the scenario you outline in your post.  
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Arjun Haarith, Employee

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Hi John,

Thanks for reporting the issue.
I was able to reproduce the issue that you have mentioned(in Mac 10.15). However, I could see that the 'Upright mode' issue was present in 9.1(with sync) as well.
However, the 'Upright transforms' issue was not seen in 9.2.
Is this what you are seeing too?
We are investigating the same. 

Thanks,
Arjun
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I only tested 9.2 and saw issues with both Upright Mode and Upright Transforms.
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I too am having this problem. It started a couple months ago.

I shoot multiple images of a room using a sturdy tripod so alignment of the original, un-transformed images is precise (I've been doing this for a over a decade). After correcting perspective in one image - using either auto, guided or vertical - I am unable to consistently sync those corrections to the other images in the series.  Sometimes a couple of the images will sync properly, but most of the time the other images do not match the correction done to the original shot.

There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Sometimes it's a minor variation. Other times it will even crop into some of the images. At times it seems that when I leave an image and return to it, it has changed the correction yet again.

I've noticed that the sync looks good on the thumbnails until I click on them. Then they shift to some random new perspective.

I've tried turning 1:1 previews on and off. Turning the graphics processor on and off. Increased the cache size. Nothing worked.

Note: I used to get this occasionally on vertically oriented images in the past. Now it's on all images.

I just went back to an old folder from a couple years ago and some done in December of last year. When I originally processed those, everything worked fine. However, today they no longer are properly synced.

I'm running Lightroom Classic 9.2 on Windows 10.