Lightroom: Unexpected sort order

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I'm fully conversant with using the different sort options, however, following the latest update, my photos are NOT sorting how they usually do. I have my Sort set to 'Capture Time' as usual. In this screen capture, images (1), (2) and (3) have been merged to HDR (image (4)). The example on the left, is how they're sorting NOW and the example on the right is how they PREVIOUSLY sorted (which is how I still want them). And interestingly, the merged HDR is using the image name of (1) as per usual, but sorting it after image (2), which my logical brain just cannot process! I have found a band-aid measure (changing capture time by 1 or 2 seconds for the merged image, then resorting), however, really want the previous sort solution back to minimise my workflow.
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Have you checked the stacking? That could be confusing matters.
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Thanks Victoria, but no stacking used at the initial HDR merge stage. I have processed more than 20 resorts' images in exactly the same way over the last 14 months, but this mixed up sort order only started after a recent update. So frustrating as it's added about half a dozen extra clicks or steps to my workflow to get them in the order I want.
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To build on Victoria's suggestion, a couple of troubleshooting suggestions:

1. When you see photos aren't sorting properly, click the Sort Direction button twice:



LR CC 2015.7 introduced a bug where sometimes newly imported photos or photos with changed capture times don't immediately sort properly.  Clicking the Sort Direction button twice sorts it out.

2. Stacks are always sorted by the top photo in the stack, and the rest of the photos in the stack immediately follow.  The filmstrip doesn't necessarily show stacking info, so it's hard to tell what's going on.   So when you notice the ordering is screwy, go to Grid View in the Library and look at the thumbnails there. Configure View > View Options to ensure the date is showing below each thumbnail.  Then you can immediately see both the stacking and the dates, which would give strong clues about what's going on.   If the ordering still looks wrong, then post a full-resolution screenshot of your entire LR window here (a picture is worth a thousand...).

Let us know how you get on.
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John, thanks for your comments but stacking is not the issue here as I don't use stacking during an initial merge. It's just frustrating that I've had to add about half a dozen extra clicks or steps to my workflow just to get the merged image sorted immediately following the source images! I have given up re-sorting after each merge because it was just time consuming. After I merge, I change the time by a little bit, then move on to the next lot of photos. Each time I come back into LR, images are sorted. I just hope a future update  resolves this because I am totally over the inconvenience and wasted time!
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When you see the sorting is wrong, try the workaround I suggested: Click the Sort Direction button twice.  That has worked for others.
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Yes, I was doing that, but just trying to eliminate unnecessary, time wasting steps from my process - especially as it used to work  in the 1-2-3-4 order in my post screen capture. I just posted in the LR help group I initially raised this in, and Linda Alschuler suggested I provide screen capture as you suggested. There's actually 3, but I'll start a new comment below.
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There were 3, until I did another merge and got another sort result!!! hahaha
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So first screen capture shows a range of images, and I've displayed the Sort flyout FYI. You will notice that aside from a 2* rating, there has been absolutely no processing or setting changes to my images. However, I do build smart previews during import.



Second screen capture shows the sequential images selected.



Third screen capture shows the merged image sorted BETWEEN second and third images when it previously sorted it AFTER the third image! It also sometime sorts it BEFORE the selected images, and anywhere WITHIN the selected images, it's not always between images 2 and 3! I can't work this part out!



Immediately stacking (Cmd+G) resolves this when the sorted image is WITHIN the selection, but not when it sorts BEFORE the selection (next screen capture, merged image flagged YELLOW). Clicking the Sort Direction icon twice also resolves it, but ONLY when I've adjusted the capture time.



I know there are workarounds, but I'm desperately trying to eliminate unnecessary clicks or steps from an already mind-numbing and tedious part of my workflow that was seamless before.

Appreciate any further comments or advice you may have.
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Knew I should have waited a little longer before I finished that last comment. BTW stacking only resolves the issue while the images remain stacked, as soon as you unstack, the mucked up sort order reinstates itself (which WILL prove problematic when I will have to expand all stacks so I can export ALL the images I've used in my processing to provide to the client). 
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Unfortunately, the screenshots don't include the capture date/time of the photos underneath the thumbnails, which could provide important clues about what the issue is and perhaps suggest more effective workarounds.  Perhaps you could go to View > View Options to ensure the filename and date/time are showing next to each thumbnail and repost the screenshots?   E.g.



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John, they're bracketed shots (3 shots -0.5/0/+0.5), each of them taken within milliseconds of each other. The HDRs previously sorted correctly immediately after the selected shots, but following the latest update, they're not. I initially thought it was because I was selecting the images in order (ie 1,2,3), so I selected them in reverse order (ie 3,2,1) thinking the merged HDR would pick up the name and meta of the third shot and sort it after my selected images, but it still picked up the name and meta of the first image in the selection, but *most of the time* sorts it between images #2 and #3 in my selection, which I just don't get if it's picking up name and meta from #1!
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That's helpful, but screenshots with the dates and filenames would be more helpful.
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As requested. Images are sequential and displaying in capture time order. The image flagged red is the merged HDR, which in this instance sorted itself BEFORE the selected images! I noticed an official response (from Sunil?) on another post in this forum that Adobe has replicated this issue and 'is looking into it,' so it's now just a waiting game I suppose. For the time being, I won't be doing much HDR merging as I've finished the resort photos I was working on and moving onto landscape and travel shots. Thanks for all your input John.

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