Camera Raw/Lightroom: Forgets about profile and white balance when importing RAF

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While importing FujiFilm RAFs having a custom white balance, Lightroom forgets to take over the profile and does not take white balance fine tune over.
This is a show killer as you have to manually set the camera profile for each photo and to find back the set white balance !

Example :
Setting of the RAF (read with the help of exiftool) :
- Color Temperature : 5900
- White Balance Fine Tune : Red +80, Blue -60
- Film Mode : F2/Fujichrome (Velvia)

After importing, the values are : profile Adobe Standard (!), and color temp : 5900 (should be 7300) imo...
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AFAIK those settings in the camera, other than the base WB Temp, are for JPG images. If you go to Camera Calibration you can select any of the Fuji included Film modes. you can also make LR remember your choice by setting the defaults for that camera.
Question:
If the exiftool says the WB was set to 5900 and LR is saying it is 5900 how do you get that it should be 7300?
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Hi !

If I select a same Camera Calibration in Lightroom (Velvia for the exemple), the colors are not correct. The Raf is not same that the JPG. 
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The profile IS usually taken over to match those set in the camera at time of shooting.

As are usually the White Balance fine tune values. In the case of these raf, only the colour temp is taken over and NOT adjusted by the values of the WB fie tune.

5900 + 600 + 800 = 7300
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And the RAF RAW file isn't supposed to look like the JPG image. It is RAW sensor data. your base WB is being carried over but like I said those other settings are for the JPG image the camera produces from the RAW sensor data.
The whole point behind working with raw sensor data is so you can make any changes you like and not be stuck with what was set in the camera.
Maybe you should use the JPG image and not shoot RAW at all.
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Thanks, but I pretty well know what should happen and what a raw is done for. WB and profile ARE taken over from the camera settings when importing from a supported camera giving you a starting point that matches with the image at time of shoot. 
In the case of the Fuji raw files, imported Raw and JPGs, almost look the same by design.
In the case of the Fuji X-T2 rafs it is not the case anymore.

So this is a bug !
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This is expected behavior.  Lightroom do not auto-select the corresponding profile based on the in-camera setting. You can setup custom default settings for your specific camera models. See http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr2_camera/lr2-camera-defaults.htm on how to do it. Hope this helps.
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For the profile not being imported, you may be very well right, I can't remember, although it would be good to change this behaviour in my opinion. At least for Hybrids like the X-T2 where you voluntary choose AND see directly in the viewfinder what you are doing. So it is natural to expect LR to match these settings whenever possible. For the reflex camera, this is probably not that important.

BUT the WB problem is definitely new ! LR has always adapted the WB to the one chosen in the camera. With the last version and the X-T2 at least, it only matches the base temperature, forgetting the fine tuned values.
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Can you share a sample RAF for us to take a look? Dropbox or CC sync would be fine.
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Yes, sure. 

First off, I would like to mention, that it is good to see that someone cares at Adobe. Having LR since the very beginning and loving this program until version 5, I must say, that the last months were really hard, each new version bringing slowness, bugs, untested features. 
I've got the impression that the 2 or 3 very last versions were going again to the right direction.

I've prepared the following example :
1. One image was shot at Auto WB in RAW + JPG in Velvia Profile
2. One image was shot at Auto WB + Custom WB Fine Tune in RAW + JPG in Velvia Profile

All 4 files were imported in LR.
For me, the X-T2 being an hybrid camera, thus having the possibility to exactly choosing the look of my images in the viewfinder, it would be a great time saver, that LR tries to match as well as possible the settings set in the camera. The profile not being set is a non sense to me. It is easy to implement on your side and doing it manually is a pain in the ass.
Having the Shadow, Highlights, etc settings being taken over would be wonderful, but I can see that this is something much more difficult to implement for each supported camera.

The RAW and JPG files with Auto WB (both left most pictures on the screen below) only look almost identical one the Velvia profile has been applied to the raw.



The ones with Custom WB applied (Red +160 - Blue -60) on the right of the screen do not. The WB fine tune, available in the exif, is not applied.

https://infinit.io/_/tnzNvri
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Hi Simon. Any news ? Thanks.
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In exiftool, I see the following metadata dump with respect to the on camera WB settings:

White Balance                   : Auto
White Balance Fine Tune         : Red +160, Blue -60

So essentially you setup an incremental fine tuning of the WB values on top of the camera Auto WB. I don't see any Lightroom code that currently parses this fine tuning WB metadata, thus it is not supported. We'll discuss internally to see if this is something that Lightroom should support.