Lightroom Classic: Should be able to Sync full raw files to the cloud, not just smart previews

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Lightroom Classic, like Lightroom CC (what a confusion this naming causes!) should be able to upload full raw files to the cloud and not just smart previews. This is clearly a missing feature. This is especially handy if you mainly use Lightroom Classic because of its much more powerful editing and ability to actually print but would love to edit the full image from other machines.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Allow Lightroom Classic to upload full resolution raw to the Cloud.

For a long time now, I've been hoping Adobe would allow Lightroom to upload full resolution raw files to the cloud as a backup location, gallery, and with ability to edit. Adobe finally answered my wishes - but at a cost. Lr-Classic has the power I want, but STILL cannot upload full resolution photos to the cloud. Is it a difficult thing to enable/allow Lr to sync actual folders? 

Instead I've found I can upload photos through Lr-CC - and when I open Lr-Classic, guess what... it DOWNLOADS THE FULL RESOLUTION PHOTOS BACK TO MY COMPUTER. So 1 photo session might have 2gb worth of data. This brilliant setup means I need to upload 2gb through Lr-CC, and then have another 2gb downloaded again through Lr-Classic. I'm left with double the internet data usage, and duplicated photos on my computer thus taking up twice the space! Genius! 

Furthermore, Lr-Classic decides to ignore the Folder/Album setup in Lr-CC, and just lists all the Albums in alphabetical order as Collections, while dumping the physical files into one giant "mobile" folder under hard-drive. 

So my request is, allow Lr-Classic to upload FULL-RESOLUTION RAW files to the Lr-Cloud instead of smart previews. 
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I am shocked that Adobe has not developed this functionality in the last update with the "new" Lightroom. Without uploading of the originals to the cloud "Edit with..." functionality in the Lightroom Classic is useless! And, what is pretty "fun" too, this functionality is completely absent in the new Lightroom. So, the workflow is completely broken — I can't easily edit in other application from the Lightroom CC because I will not have access to the original without my filesystem (guys, are you sure that you know what the "cloud" is?), and I can't simply edit from the new Lightroom just because it doesn't have such functionality, so I need to open in Photoshop, save as TIFF, open in the other editor... Applauses, you've just changed one click into the hell-that's-a-lot-of-clicks.
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Wow! It seems that my mobile devices (iPhone and iPad Pro) are not able to recieve and edit the raw files from my MacBook then. I just don ́t understand: What is up with my iPad Pro showing the RAW tag on my pic? And then on a closer look, it tells me, that I am looking at the Smart Preview. In CC preferences the "Only Download Smart Previews" is off. I want to download the actual RAW to my iPad Pro. Is there really no way I can do this? I remember there was a lot of fuzz about now Lightroom CC mobile could edit RAW? Maybe so, but we can only get a Smart Preview? Really? 
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Lightroom CC mobile can only edit full size raw if the full size raw are in the cloud, and they can only get to the cloud from one of the LRCC apps or web interface, not Lightroom Classic.

Lightroom Classic sends small raw files - aka smart previews - to the cloud. They behave almost identically to the full size raw, but are an awful lot smaller.
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The RAW tag on the picture tells you that the original is a raw file, and not a jpeg. It doesn't tell you that the raw file is currently loaded. So you could see the RAW tag and still have a smart preview only on the device. You can have the original raw file on your device, but that tag doesn't tell you this.
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Thanks, Victoria and Johan, for clearing things up.

So now my question is: In order to get RAW files from Classic to CC Mobile, what would be the best thing to do?
I have CC on my desktop, but I suppose that does not help with uploading RAW if the files have been synced by Classic first. So I am guessing, that I need to unsync the files from Classic first. But when I do that, the files will disappear from CC desktop. So loading the files into CC desktop will be quite tedious, plus I feel it will be messy and confusing. Like, everything would be SOOOO easy, if there was a switch in Classic, letting me choose to upload RAW instead of Smart Previews.
What would the experts suggest?

Thanks!
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Don't unsync from Classic. It's not an officially supported workflow, but... if the photos are already synced from Classic and synced down to LRCC as smart previews, if you then add them to LRCC, it should be smart enough to recognize these are just originals of the same images. Try it with one or two photos before going the whole hog. 
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Thanks Victoria, that works. But quite a mess Adobe had made here. :-(
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Could you maybe explain that workaround workflow with a bit more details? Thank you, Chris
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Sure Chris, which bit? Are you already familiar with how to sync photos in Classic? 
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Hi Victoria, Yes, I'm familiar with the standard sync with the cloud. From CC as well as Classic. I understood that it is possible to add the raw files to the cloud after the smaller "previews" are already synced from Classic to the cloud. Exactly in this step I'm interested since I have already edited many files in the cloud and want now to add the raw files to the cloud.  Thank you, Chris
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Sorry for the delay Chris. So if the photos are already synced to the cloud, and downloaded as smart previews in to LRCC, when you then try to add the same photos to LRCC through it's normal Add Photos dialog, it'll let you add them but won't (shouldn't!) create duplicate files. It should just go ahead and upload the originals. It's not officially documented, and could break at any time, but right now it works as long as you haven't changed the originals (e.g. written to xmp, etc.)
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I am having this same issue and the thing about is that before the new Lightroom CC was unveiled I didn't have it. In other words, I would sync files to Lightroom Mobile using a synced folder and then sometimes edit on mobile and post to mobile apps like Instagram. Perhaps it worked the same way before as it does now, but I never noticed it. Anyway, now I can't really post to IG with this workflow because my photos look like garbage w/ the smart preview. I would really hope Adobe can find some way to make syncing of LR Classic files full rez, my mobile workflow is now broken unless someone has an easy workaround. I don't want to reimport raw files and then sync settings. I'd have to go into Finder to find specific raw files which I know is easy but it defeats the purpose of using a DAM in the first place. 
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I am having this same issue and the thing about is that before the new Lightroom CC was unveiled I didn't have it. In other words, I would sync files to Lightroom Mobile using a synced folder and then sometimes edit on mobile and post to mobile apps like Instagram. Perhaps it worked the same way before as it does now, but I never noticed it. Anyway, now I can't really post to IG with this workflow because my photos look like garbage w/ the smart preview. I would really hope Adobe can find some way to make syncing of LR Classic files full rez, my mobile workflow is now broken unless someone has an easy workaround. I don't want to reimport raw files and then sync settings. I'd have to go into Finder to find specific raw files which I know is easy but it defeats the purpose of using a DAM in the first place. 
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Nothing's changed as far as syncing smart previews to the cloud goes, so if it was working ok before, there's another issue here Ricardo. 2560px smart previews should be plenty for posting to instagram. Start another thread with examples and let's see if we can't figure it out. It's possible there's a different bug in the mobile app that's causing a problem.
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You should only notice the shortcomings of smart previews with very heavily edited images (i.e. strong settings of shadows/blacks, etc. or strong edits in the color sliders. There smart previews can show their limitations. Also, to post to instagram, I recommend looking into the Lightroom Classic plugin LR/instagram. It cuts out the step of having to go to mobile and directly posts to instagram from the desktop Lightroom Classic at the optimal quality possible. Instagram is extremely limited in the image size and jpeg compression it will accept and it will always be pretty bad but if you do everything right (like the plugin does) you might be able to get reasonable quality. I would not trust any mobile app to do this right by default.
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Here's what my image looks like in Classic on the left and CC on the right. Check upper right corner. 

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Victoria,

Thanks for your help with this.

"when you then try to add the same photos to LRCC through it's normal Add Photos dialog, it'll let you add them but won't (shouldn't!) create duplicate files. It should just go ahead and upload the originals. It's not officially documented, and could break at any time, but right now it works as long as you haven't changed the originals (e.g. written to xmp, etc)"

And if I've written to xmp...uploading will create duplicates?

In that case, any advice? Maybe sync / download everything to Classic, delete all from cloud and start over?

Dave
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Things may have moved on since that original post from Victoria (12 months ago). Testing today (on Windows 10) I found that using that method to replace the initial smart previews with the originals still worked well, even if I had saved to XMP first (both proprietary Raw and DNG files). All uploaded OK from LRCC, no duplicates were created.

But, because it's not an officially documented and supported procedure, as Victoria mentioned it could break at any time.  
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Jim,

Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated. I've done some testing as well this morning (on macOS Mojava 10.14.2, w latest LR CC Classic and latest LR CC. Here's what I've found:

1) Uploading a RAW image that was already edited in LR CC cloud and o LR CC cloud did work, in that a) no duplicate was created in LR CC cloud and b) edits were retained. However...

2) My camera is set to save both JPEG and RAW files, and LR CC Classic recognizes the JPEGs as sidecar files so does not display them as duplicates. LR CC cloud does display JPEGs with same filename as RAW as duplicate images. This will create some hassle since my one of my cameras (X100F) creates only JPEGs in certain modes so I can't just trash all JPEGs before uploading to LR CC cloud. And...

3) After uploading a RAW image from LR CC Classic to LR CC cloud, on the next sync LR CC Classic creates a virtual copy of the RAW image. Strange and a bit of a mess.


Any thoughts on how to prevent Classic from creating a virtual copy of RAW files uploaded to LR CC cloud?

I'd just like to be able to:

1) Edit images captured on my camera on both Classic and CC (mainly Classic), but like the benefits of CC esp when out and about.

2) Edit images captured on my phone on both Classic and CC.

Thanks again -

Dave
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Jim,

Thanks again for your help - this time you answered my question 8 months ago! I did some searching on the virtual copies issue and found this:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-cc-makes-virtual-copies-in-lightroo...

Appreciate your expertise!

Dave
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I wrote about the lack of full res upload from Classic three months ago. It still really saddens me.
Lightroom Classic is my main tool, and there is NO way (read: lack of crucial features) I can just use LR CC instead. However, importing into LR CC is so far the only way, I can get full res material onto LR mobile on my 13” iPad Pro (that I bought for its wonderful editing abilities.) So basicly my iPad Pro is collecting dust.
Yes, if I know in advance, that I want to edit on the iPad, I can import directly to the iPad after the shoot, but this is not the general choice, since getting the files til my main machine, would then be via the cloud. Remember, not everywhere is internet cheap and screaming fast. Also, I can not use the iPad as an on-the-road tool, working on older projects. Yes, I can select the project collection I want to work on, and sync it to the cloud from my main machine, but what in gods name is the point of that, since I will not be able to work on anything but a “smart preview” on my iPad Pro.
I short, the workflow is tragicly broken.
If you are a working photographer, you are in need of LR Classic, but utilising the wonderful editing capabilities of an iPad Pro (with the AWESOME pencil) is *just* out of reach, because of a senseless software limitation.
Please, please, please fix this, Adobe.
Thank you.
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There is a workaround to get that dust off your iPad Pro (waiting for Adobe to fix this probably won't). After you've synched the images from Lightroom Classic, import the same images into Lightroom CC. Lightroom CC is smart enough to recognize that the images are already in the cloud as smart previews, and will replace those smart previews with originals. Set the preferences of Lightroom CC to store 0% copies on your hard disk, so you don't need twice the storage for the same image.
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You can do the same thing by dragging them into a web browser opened to https://lightroom.adobe.com but avoiding the duplication issue. 
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Seriously though. If you had a mobile workflow before "the schism" and are now trying to keep the same workflow using LR Classic you are screwed. You basically can't use mobile unless you are using LR CC. Given that Adobe can push updates and bug fixes easily through the subscription scenario, and haven't yet, it makes you wonder if it's by design.
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Don't think so. Any mobile workflow that you had before the new Lightroom CC came out remains the same... If you prefer Lightroom Classic 100% (together with LR Mobile and Web), then you can effectively ignore that Lightroom CC even exists, and everything should work the same as it did. 

You'll still only get Smart Previews uploaded from Classic, but that is the same behavior it had before.
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Actually, it is quite different now. My photos looked fine in LR mobile before, now they look like garbage. Something has changed, which is whey there are multiple threads on this topic. 
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Hmm. Mine look just fine on LR CC/mobile with just the smart previews. Could you show us what you are seeing? There is an annoying bug in LR CC and PR CC mobile where if you only have smart previews available (i.e. synced from Classic) it will zoom to the resolution of the original raw instead of to the smart preview's resolution and will show you a pixelated image because of that. I've submitted that as a bug on this forum and elsewhere but it is not getting fixed.
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That sounds maybe similar to what I'm experiencing. Look up in the thread here, I posted a comparison of the same photo in LR Classic and in LR CC. Check the upper right corner of the image. Looks terrible in both CC and mobile. 
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I wonder if it's related to the bug reported here on Android devices:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/9978499#9978499

It's apparently due to Android devices being profiled as wide gamut DCI-P3, which is only found on some iOS devices. It makes editing the images impossible since the wrong color profile is being used. Adobe has acknowledged the problem and "working" on a solution. This only happens in 'Edit' view.The images look correct in the other view modes (Info, Rating).
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The smart previews use lossy compression and can break down and give some posterization and compression artifacts with strong slider settings such as shadows and highlights close to max. That has always been the case and nothing changed with the release of CC in that respect. It is a good reason to want full raws to be uploadable from Classic though.
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I am having the same exact issue. I spent 2 hrs on chat with them trying to see if there is any other way around it. I think that if we are paying for this that there should be a fix. I use Lr Classic to import my images ( from their current location) and sort / pick and choose the images I like and want to edit and share on the go. The ones I 5 star I create a collection for so that it will sync to Lr CC. But when i get into Lightroom CC all that I see are " smart previews" 

Its not like I'm syncing all my images, I would never want to do that. And the reason why I am using Lightroom Classic is so that I don't import my images into one catalog. Because if there was something to happen with the catalog, it would be no good...... Thats why I chose to keep them in there current location while importing.

ADOBE HELP!

 
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Hi Nacho,

Check Victoria's reply above for a possible workaround, and see if that helps you.

Alternatively, you could try selectively uploading original images to Lightroom Web, for online/mobile storage and use:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/lightroom-web.html
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thats a cool little work around! Thanks!

But they still need to fix it IMO.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic: Ability to Sync full size files to Lightroom CC.

There should be an option to sync the full sized files when synching from Classic to CC, not just a smaller preview
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Full Raw export to lightroom cc for ipad.

Full raw files is not possible to import to Lightroom CC for iPad from Lightroom Classic Desktop app
Please allow to upload full size raw files to iPad Pro Lighroom CC, NOT just Smart Preview 2048px “raw”.
Think about pro/semi pro photogratgers who is trying to integrate new mobile workflow into thier pipeline. There is a capable machines like new Apple IPad Pro 2018 which are more the capable to edit full raw files. In fact you can export full raw files but the proccess is so frustrating and ... honestly bad... that it’s almost unusable.
We are fine to rate and select and even edit TO SOME DEGREE your Smart Previews, but when the serious work srarts WE NEED FULL RAW.
So just, for crying out loud, create one button that will allow to import full Raw of selected files into Lightroom CC ipad.

You announced the full Photoshop version in 2019 with capabilities to work with 3gb psb files how do You expect us to pipeline this without access to full faw files?
Edit smart previews then go to desktop, save it, send it to ipad and then work on Photoshop ? A bit silly and 2000’s don’t you think ?
Why not just made one button for full raw extopt of selected files from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom Cc for iPad. It would be so much easy and makes it finally a working solution for pro/semi pro user, not just Instagram blogers.
Thank you.
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Please add full upload function for classic to cc. So annoying to work with smart previews when on the go! How is this not already a thing...
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ability to sync original photos from Lightroom classic to Lightroom mobile.

I think there could be this quick update where I can sync the original raw data from Lightroom classic CC to Lightroom CC. I can sync raw photos from my phone to Lightroom classic, but I only get smart previews when syncing raw photos from Lightroom classic CC to my phone.
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Agreed. Also on that note there should be an option to only keep smart previews of mobile photos on the cloud for those who don't want to or can't afford to pay extra for Adobe's cloud storage.
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Is there a way to just to upload some raw files via Lightroom CC from Lightroom Classic?
I mean: some way to set on Lightroom CC the file system source of the images taken from could?
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Yes, there is. After you've synced some images from Lightroom Classic (wait till sync has finished), import these same images in Lightroom CC for the desktop. Lightroom CC is clever enough to understand that these are the same images, and so it will replace the smart previews with originals. Lightroom Classic will not re-download these originals.
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The problem i'm having though, is that I shoot weddings.

So, returning home from a wedding with 1600 images that I cull using the rating system in LR Classic (as lets be honest, it's a better program for this purpose) down to roughly 300 images, and then do my editing from within a smart folder looking for the star ratings higher than 1.

As these images are scattered throughout the original folder, I don't want to import the full 1600 images again, just the ones i've shortlisted, but I can't seem to do this without bringing them all over!

This is especially frustrating when the culled images are only a few GB, less than the 20gb my plan offers, but the initial import, of which I don't need in the cloud is 60gb so again i'm hit with another Adobe bottleneck that shouldn't be here that prevents me from moving forward.
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You're right, these are real bottlenecks.

But we really need to get over with; Adobe has said the won't implement new sync features to LR classic. So either we go with their flow and move on to cloud CC, or we keep LR classic with very limited sync features and no significant updates. I've taken my decision and won't switch to cloud, even if CC had all the functionllaities of Classic. If I need to switch to another software, I'll go somewhere else.

There currently are A LOT of bugs, limitations, bottlenecks, limitations and bugs but they won't change a thing as long as the cash continues to flow. They're too money oriented, it's very frustrating.
I've one free year, but I'll definitely reassess my subscription afterwards.
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@Antoine,

You're right that Adobe is unlikely to expand Lightroom Classic syncing, but it doesn't seem fair to say there have been "no significant updates" over the past 15 months since Lightroom CC was introduced:

https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom-classic/features.html
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Don’t get me wrong. I don’t say there were no good updates at all. But I don’t feel there have been a lot of significant updates.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic not syncing full res photos to CC.

I usually edit my shoots in LR Classic, but having an iPad pro I want to use LR CC when I'm not at home, so I am trying to understand how to properly sync the two apps. In classic I have created a 'trial' collection and sync seemed working properly.. but looking at the space available, there where still 20 out of 20 gb. I opened LR CC both on pc and ipad and I could actually see the collection and the pictures, but in the cloud there are only smart previews.

If I create a new collection in CC, it properly uploads RAW files, but in this way I have to import pictures from my drive and not from lightroom cc (so I guess that any edit on Classic would not be seen on CC - I'm not using xmp files)
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Andrea, the trick is to also run Lightroom CC (now simply called Lightroom) on your computer and after importing and syncing (which places smart previews in the cloud) in Lightroom Classic to also import the raw files in Lightroom Cloudy. This will upload the raw files to the cloud and automatically associate them with your already synced smart previews in the cloud (this is an undocumented feature but it works). This then will make the full raw available on your iPad pro too. Also this will make edits on either Classic or on Lightroom Cloudy sync. Another way is to only import in Lightroom Cloudy. Classic will then automatically download the raw file from the cloud and set it to sync.

If you don't need the full raw on your iPad than just ignore the space available. The smart previews uploaded from Lightroom Classic do not count against the storage limits and for most purposes they are good enough for edits on an iPad.

Ignore the xmp file thing. This is not used in Classic or in Lightroom Cloudy. The xmp files are purely as backup for edits if you use them. They are not used for anything.


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Jao, your suggestion is really interesting. My point is on how to import only the files that are in a lightroom collection without having to select them one by one. Any suggestion on the workflow?

thanks,

Paolo
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I wouldn't worry about "only" having Smart Previews available on the iPad.  With a typical iPad screen a Smart Preview will give you all the resolution the screen can handle or at least all you really need to do basic editing.  So, even if you could have your full RAW files available i doubt you'd get much benefit other than gobbling up your cloud storage space much faster. 

As you said you do most of your editing in Classic, other than "just feels good" is there a specific reason you feel that having only Smart Previews on the iPad is detrimental to your workflow?
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The main reason you want this is so you can open and edit a full res image from your LR classic library in a iOS image editing app, like Affinity Photo, for retouching on an iPad..

Importing your raw images twice or importing them in Lightroom CC to get this to work is not a workflow but a messy workaround.

You should be able to sync a collection in Lightroom Classic in full res to mobile without doing these kind of steps when Adobe gets your money every month.