Lightroom Classic: Overlay is very hard to see (Crop/Transform)

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After updating to Lightroom Classic, the crop overlay lines are thinner and lighter than before. Can't see them on most photos. 
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A number of people have complained about this -- can you post a full-resolution screenshot showing what it looks like (in PNG format)?

I've noticed that the lines are brighter when the GPU is enabled:

GPU on:


GPU off:
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Finally had a moment try out your suggestion. I see so little difference--but the "best" is so light it's unhelpful. When cycling thru the various overlays I had a hard time telling which one was displaying. Below I've marked the lines because they are so faint.

GPU off


GPU on
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So try checking and unchecking Preferences > Performance > Use Graphics Processor -- notice any difference?
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Definite problem. It’s not usable now unless very dark image. Please, please correct.
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Be sure to click the ME TOO button in the upper-right corner.
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John, thanks much.  It does make a distinct difference.  I have a Lightroom compatible video card (NVidia 760).  What are the disadvantages  of not using the graphics acceleration?
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The GPU doesn't provide much benefit (and it sometimes slows things down) unless you have a 4K or 5K display. It speeds up the Develop module but no other part of LR. If you do have such a display, the GPU can speed things up a little, a lot, or not at all.  So it's best to try editing a few photos to see if you can notice a difference.
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I've asked engineering to take a look. Thanks!
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Great, thanks.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Changing crop line color.

it will be good to change crop lines color different than white.because it is hard to see white line on white image.it can be yellow and blue or even black.
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Enough of a problem for my workflow to force me back to 5.7 (6.x is unusably slow for me)
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any solution to this? i just upgraded my system (17R to a Precision 7720 Workstation) and was previously using the last version of Creative Cloud Lightroom (not "Lightroom CC") but the last version of what is now Lightroom Classic CC.

toggling GPU does change the color from medium gray or something to white(ish) but the lines are so fine that it's really hard to see on certain images. annoying!
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Until this is fixed you can also use CTRL/CMD + ALT + O keys to quickly toggle the Grid.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled transform tool grid colour too dark.

Is there any way of changing the colour of the grid when using the transform tool as when using the individual sliders on a low light picture the grid is near invisable.
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Added a comment to internal issue that transform too overlay has a similar problem.
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Rick M.

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Tried the graphics processor, almost impossible to see the grid overlay..please remedy this.
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Via https://forums.adobe.com/message/10136732, and other posts, checking/unchecking graphics processor option in LR CC Classic does practically nothing. It's almost impossible to see the grid lines when working with real estate or nature shots now.

Using an iMac14,2.
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Just a FYI, if you press Q and then A to activate the spot removal tool and visualizer, try to use the transform tool. It helps out to some regard.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Crop Overlay grid IS STILL VIRTUALLY INVISIBLE.

I noticed a variety of topics in here and in the Lighroom forum going back as far as eight YEARS complaining about the very faint, unconfigurable crop overlay grid...  And it's never been very good, but in the more recent versions, the grid is virtually invisible and unusable.
Most recent topic appears to be about six months old, at which time the official answer was "I'll have engineering look at it"...  That had to be at least a couple releases old, and in 7.3 it still appears to be invisible and unable to be configured to be brighter and a contrasting color.  Am I missing some control(s) that allow users to do something about this problem or has it still not be improved to make it more usable?
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I had a reply from Rikk Flohr asking about a change to monitor resolution before the new topic I created was merged/closed.  There haven't been any changes in monitors or resolution in quite a while, and I don't RECALL having this much trouble seeing the overlay grid, even on images with a dark grey or black background in versions prior to 7.1 or maybe 7.0 (I haven't needed to edit any portrait images with backdrops since last year). 

Question same as original - am I missing controls or settings that allow users to do something to ameliorate this problem 'cause changing exposure to make the very faint gride or activating a visualizer or other kludges aren't real useful when I'm cropping, adjusting, straightening several hundred images at a time.
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I would say from my comment 3 months ago - it's now invisible. While I was able to faintly see black lines before, I can't see ANY now. (And I'm not able to muddle with monitor settings - this shouldn't require any legwork on my end to fix.) This issue just keeps getting worse.
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David, sorry about that. When a thread is merged, the subsequent comments are cut off- but to answer your question. There are currently no controls to control brightness, thickness, opacity, or color for the overlay grids in the crop tool.  We do have an open issue filed for this but there currently isn't an ETA for a fix. 
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Agree very hard to see the rule of thirds and other overlay lines even with a darker subject. lines are way too fine, esp on high end screens
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic CC: transform vertical/horizontal lines too dark.

New LR Classic CC 7.3.1 darkened the vertical/horizontal axis lines to black from white. Nearly impossible to see in low light images. How can this be reversed? Raised this issue twice with Adobe and came to the conclusion it will not be fixed until the next version comes out. Please raise awareness of this issue.
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Lightroom Classic CC Version 7.4 was released earlier today and should have a fix for this issue. Give it a try and let us know if you continue to see this problem. Thank you for your patience!
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The lines are thicker as long as the USE GRAPHICS PROCESSOR is turned OFF. When I turn it ON the lines are faint again — except for the swirl option.
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I see the same issue on Windows 7 with LR Classic 7.4 with 'Use Graphics Processor' checked. This is clearly (pun) not fixed on Windows 7 systems!
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Not fixed here too on Windows 10 with 'Use Graphics Processor' checked.
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I just checked mine, GP on and off, I didn't see any change, look ok here; WIN10.
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Thanks, much better!
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So this is the issue:

With the Graphics Processor Acceleration disabled (turned off) the hor/vert grid is white = excellent; however, the work flow speed will be reduced in this current setting. My request is to have the GPA enabled with the grid in an off white pattern, not the current black. The current LR v7.4 only enlarged the grid pattern. LR needs to create the off white color grid.
  
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Based on your comments, and my own testing I am going to reopen the issue.  

With GPU off, it is working as expected.
With GPU on (and fresh driver from nVidia today) it is not. Too faint and the Fibonacci spiral is not rendered correctly. Thanks for your feedback.
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For me the best solution would be to have a choice of colors, even if they are just the primaries plus white and black. Setting line thickness would also be useful. What I find odd is that the crop overlay is thin and faint, but the Loop overlay grid is almost too bright and thick. Having them both the same, with total control of color, line thickness and grid scale would be a big improvement. 
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Official Response
Lightroom Classic CC 7.5 was released today and should address this issue.  If you don’t see the update in your Creative Cloud App, hit the [Ctrl/Cmd]+ [Alt/Opt]+[R] to force a refresh. 

Give the new version a try and let us know if it solves the issue. 
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Thank you.It was my dream since I started to use lightroom for 4 years.