Lightroom Classic "BASIC" or "PRO" CC-Version

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As far as I am concerned, over time Lightroom has been overloaded with too many tools and "gags" (e.g. the new "creative profiles") in order to make it competitive in a broad consumer market. It seems to me, that these tools decelerate the overall speed of the program and might cause many of the issues described here.
For a pro photographer the basic selection, categorizing and RAW-development is in most cases what he/she needs only. So my suggestion is, that you offer a basic, but in no way less professional version that offers just catalogue functions combined with the ACR development, as it was some years ago, as everything worked to my fullest satisfaction, which is not the case now and why I am about to quit working with Lightroom and use succesfully tested alternatives like Capture One instead. 
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Kees van Surksum

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Or allow us to deselect, profiles, for example, removing them from the workspace.  Allowing customization of the program.
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The problem isn't the toolset. The problem is the terrible UI and performance issues. I wonder if they are going to rewrite the program in a better language than Lua?
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Well, it used to work perfectly in lua till about version 5 ...  I could scroll through thousands of images fluently, module change went instantly and didn't take up till 30 secs, marking of images reacted promptly, not after 5 till 10 secs. ... on less powerfull hardware. 
Then came the "fun tools" and performance went down the drain. I am not a programming professional, but it can't be just a stupid coincidence.  I guess this architecture is overstressed by all of this. That's why I think that a basic RAW-editing version would work fine. 
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Agreed.  Adobe should offer a Lightroom Elements for the iPhone crowd, and leave the full-featured version for working pros and semi-pros (or whom else has interest).

Furthermore, there are a few useless features which have never worked or offer no value; e.g. ,facial recognition and GPS location to name a few.

The facial recognition is worthless.  I used it one time on 850 images from an outdoor nude shoot in Germany.  It took LR 12 hours to go through all of the images, and it was less than 40% accurate in picking out the model's face.  More often than not, the bark of an oak tree was the chosen face!  Or the pubic region.  I kid you not, you cannot make this stuff up!

As for the GPS, I don't need to know the coordinates.  I know where I was when I took the shot because I was there when it happened.  Seriously, is the location keyword of "Svalbard < Norway < Europe < Countries of the World" not more helpful than a string of numbers?

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Well for pro nature photographers in the middle of nowhere GPS-coordinates can be very helpful. But the camera writes them into the data files right away, so no need for such a map tool here ... ;-)
And facial recon? Who needs it (apart from border control officers), when (synced) writing names in tags and IPTC does the job much more accurate? I never used it ... 

"fun tools" for people who like to play with computer and software options but far beyond the needs of a serious (pro or amateur) photographer.
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I guess it would be great to have good old bridge combined with ACR in one app ... that would do the job perfectly. Can't be that hard to build something like that. Would be much more valuable then developing all kind of apps (like Muse) they take out again after some time. What a waist of development resources!
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I use neither facial recognition nor maps but I would hesitate to call them gimmicks for amateurs. Well-functioning facial recognition can be helpful to news-, event-, and wedding photographers. GPS coordinates on a map can be a boon to travel-, documentary- and nature photographers.


Point I’m trying to make is that even though some things might not be of use to me or you, that doesn’t mean it is useless for everyone and might well have its place in LR ‘pro’.


I don’t mind a lot of stuff being part of LR. It would be great though if we had more customization control. I can turn off the map and book tabs: great! Don’t use hem, so I’m glad to get them out of my way. Would be great if that were possible for more parts of the program. Capture One is a great example (though it has flaws in other parts, DAM being the biggest of it). With C1 I can determine what I want to see and use and where to locate it. If I want development tools on the left: fine. On the right: no problem. Floating: fine too. You can really turn C1 into the workplace that fits you. Now that’s something I would be interested in with LR.
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No matter "pro" or amateur,  tools like facial recon ARE gimmicks, then even before they where introduced Lightroom offered already at least three ways to ANY photographer to tag, order and search images by name ... Better, more reliable an by means of good practice.  No serious photographer would rely on facial recon, first of all, because it is not  by far reliable (and that is a pretty good definition of "gimmick" IMHO). 
Apart from that, my point wasn't to discuss individual tools and needs. I just want a "slim" Lightroom-version that does the essential job without stressing systems over the edge, as it was some years and version ago. 
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I aknowledge your experience with C1.  Though customization is not my main issue. The UI of Lr is okay for me. It's the performance that is my issue. In my particular case, even after many hours spent on "solutions" and faillure cause eliminations, I still have a Lightroom which is a "pain in the ass" in my workflow, because it's slow, it pauses regularily and sometimes it even stops completely. So for every Euro I pay more month after month, the only "development" I get by updates is an increase of time I spent on image editing or new bugs to be repaired. And that is - as to speak with Donald Trump - a very bad (business) deal. 
In fact, you point this out yourself: a customizable UI with undockable windows is something many users have asked for over the years.  I guess for "creativ" profiles there is a bigger market out there: Those 70% hobby photographer that get those "one-click-good-images-tools" offered in much cheaper products like Luminar, PhotoDirector & Co. I am pretty sure Adobe doesn't want to loose this share of the market and will develop Lr accordingly in the near future. More gimmicks to come .... ;-)

With some real good new slim software achitecture and a flawless operating program Adobe could offer the pro user value for money  in the end. We were once their major customer circle, but I guess we got a minority ... So I am in no way optimistic this will ever happen. Or maybe it will, but then again never in a photographer's subscription at the price we have now. And that would be the most cinical  part of the story.

And you know what: Adobe will give a damn, loosing us to C1. Most of us need Photoshop also and so we will pay  for many years after even then ... 
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I went back to LR (been a LR user since v2) after having exclusively used C1 for roughly 2 years after being fed up with Adobe's quality control, so I can totally understand where you come from.

I had the same problem with C1 as you have with LR: it was constantly stalling, in my case with C1 when using a large number of files in a catalog. Great for events and weddings when used in 'session'-mode but utterly useless when using large catalogs for street work and travel photography. I have retired from event photography so my needs have shifted and I want a well-functioning catalog.

The weird thing is that for a lot of users the C1 catalog functions fine. And now, having come back to Adobe, I have to conclude that LR simply flies on my machine: I have no speed problems *at all*. Both things baffle me: me having problems with C1 while others don't; you and many others having speed issues with LR while I don't. This will sometimes happen on basically the same hardware and OS. And it's probably hampering both Adobe and C1 in solving these problems.

I haven't used Bridge in quite a while but IIRC you could use that as a front-end for ACR and even export from it. Isn't that basically what you're looking for? Does it even work like that in this day and age? I hope Adobe eventually gets your issues with LR sorted!