Lightroom CC: Crops and local adjustments don't copy properly on rotated pics

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  • Updated 1 year ago
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[Update: This bug occurs for both crops and local adjustments.  See this post for a simple recipe to reproduce:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-cc-crop-syncing?topic-reply-list[se...
- John Ellis.]

Apple Mac, El Capitan, Latest LIghtroom CC release.
Workflow for Problem:

  • Original image edited in LR CC and cropped to 10x8.
  • Virtual copy made for reference
  • Revert original image to uncropped
  • Round trip original LR edit to latest Photoshop CC
  • Return to LR CC after saving [same problem as TIFF or PSD]
  • Using the virtual copy as the source, sync the crop to the image returned from Photoshop
  • RESULT - the crop doesn't match.
Cache purged, preferences reset. Not a large catalogue, only 350 images. Working on an internal drive.

Any suggestions?
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Steve Hughes

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Posted 3 years ago

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Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist

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I think this is a known issue. Original raw and TIF (PS) represent the image orientation in a different way (using a different coordinate system from the original raw). The Sync settings logic in Lr is pretty dumb and got confused. The syncing works best when both the source and destination are in the same coordinate system. To align the different coordinate system used by the raw and TIF/PS, Lr would need to load the source and destination negatives, which typically means a performance hit if you sync settings across many images. That is why the current implementation is pretty dumb. It just copy the settings as is. We have some idea on how to fix this.

Thanks for reporting this.
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John R. Ellis, Champion

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"To align the different coordinate system used by the raw and TIF/PS, Lr would need to load the source and destination negatives."

This is not correct. Copy and Sync just need to represent the crop and local-adjustment coordinates uniformly, after applying the source photo's orientation.  When they apply the coordinates to a destination photo, they have to then translate those coordinates back according to that photo's orientation.  A photo's orientation is stored in the catalog, so it isn't necessary to load the master.  

My Any Crop plugin demonstrates how to do it correctly -- I'll be glad to share the code (a few tens of lines).
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Steve Hughes

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Thanks Simon -
What's confusing is that I'm [almost] sure that it worked before. Maybe I'm mis-remembering :-[
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Shane Betts

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It's an intermittent bug with LR. Has been for ages. I routinely do composites of two shots, shot off tripod. I crop one, paste settings to the other, select both and open as layers in PS and guess what? They're cropped differently, making the composite impossible. So I have to do all my cropping in PS because LR is too buggy. What can you do about it? Nothing. Find a workaround. Situation normal:-|
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LIGHTROOM - Incorrect crop when syncing between two image formats.

In Lightroom (latest CC release, 2015.3), I have an original raw image and a TIFF file of that image that has been processed in Photoshop. They are both exactly the same size in pixels.

When I crop one of the images and sync that crop to the other one, the crop *does not match*—be it with auto sync or manual sync. The image that gets synced ends up with a tighter crop for no apparent reason.

This means I have to try to match the two crops manually by fiddling with the crop rectangle (which is a waste of time and can't even be accomplished with perfection because it is nowhere near precise enough).

I remember cropping multiple images like this some time in the past (with previous versions of Lightroom) without issue, so it's a bug that has been introduced at some point.
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Steve Hughes

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I did see the original of this problem. Just thought I would kick off another prompt if it's still unresolved.
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I just released the Any Crop plugin, which lets you copy crops between images of different formats, e.g. from a TIFF to a raw, or a raw to a JPEG, avoiding the bug described here.  It copies the crops very quickly.  Any Crop also provides a number of other crop enhancements users have asked for.
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makespictures

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I'll second John's comment above - Any Crop plugin will solve the problem - just tried and it worked for me.
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David Lauer

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic CC Copy and Paste Adjustments Bug.

This has been an issue for several versions. I was hoping the new Classic update would fix but it is still there.   Copying and pasting adjustments from or to an HDR image from a standard image often results in crops and local adjustments being applied in the wrong place. Seems like a rotation may be part of the issue.  Very annoying and time consuming to work around.  Please fix!  Thank you.
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The Any Crop plugin works around the bug for crops but not for local adjustments:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-cc-crop-syncing?topic-reply-list[se...
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This bug strikes both crops and local adjustments (both use the same internal representation of image coordinates). To reproduce in LR 7.0.1:

1. Select a raw landscape photo and rotate it to portrait.

2. Select the photo and export it back to the catalog as a JPEG:



3. Go to Develop and crop the JPEG to have a long narrow vertical crop.  With the local adjustment brush set to Exposure = 4 and paint a vertical stripe:



4. Select the JPEG and do Photo > Develop Settings > Copy Settings and check only Local Adjustments and Crop.  Select the raw and do Photo > Develop Settings > Paste Settings.  Note that the crop and local adjustment don't occur on the raw in the same place as on the JPEG: