Starting off with the most up to date system info post:
The summary of the problem is basically laggy / insufferably slow performance issues with LR CC running on a system as follows:
- i7 4790k @ 4Ghz
- 32Gb RAM
- SSD Catalog
- 2x HGST 5Tb RAID 1 image host drives
- nVidia 970 GTX
- 2560 x 1440 display, LR in Single Display mode only
- Windows 10 Pro 64bit
I have been engaged with Adobe on this issue for several months, during which time I have kept my display drivers and lightroom up to date.
Performance *HAS* improved slightly since 6.10 but is still not at a point where it is comfortable to smoothly work. Every operation has a lag / UI update that just makes the whole experience jarring. The memory leak that would send LR to its knees was indeed resolved with 6.10, so performance no longer degrades as rapidly over time as it used to, however baseline performance is still not what I'd expect and is certainly not comfortable to work with. Editing in Lightroom is a headache to be dreaded right now, so much so that I've been putting off jobs that I really shouldn't be.
This initial video opened up the dialog with Adobe, and was recorded on 6.8. This is the best performance I ever see from LR as it was freshly loaded up and hadn't been subject to the memory leak in versions < 6.10 . I'm currently regenerating the 1:1 previews on the images in the video to see if the cache was corrupted or something. It's taken 2 hours so far, and it's at 58%. (700 images). In another 2 hours I will be able to say.
I've produced another video that shows the GPU accel colour shift and screen blackout. This time LR had been open for a few hours, so it's the absolute worst case performance. Running on 6.8 / 6.9 as 6.10 had not yet been released
Another video, this time with some diagnostic information onscreen. It's a long video as I was discussing with a reddit group ideas on how to improve performance. Skip through and you'll find CPU readouts, HDD benchmarks and some other stuff. This was recorded during a 1:1 preview generation session, which took 3 hours for 1000 images.
I've had lightroom open long enough to import 286 images and generate 1:1 previews for them. Performance is still just as bad as in the recorded videos. I'll leave it open and idling overnight to see if it leaks any memory, but honestly the concept of editing even this tiny set of ~300 images is enough to give me a headache.
Face tagging, geotagging, and all other extraneous gubbins turned off from day 1. 1:1 and Smart previews. 90% CPU over 4 cores, but no account given, seemingly, to people trying to use LR while an import is in progress. Its borderline unusable as it is (As I demonstrated in my videos) but during import - no chance. I normally leave it on overnight importing images, but this was a rush job. Rush. Hah.
At this point I was tempted to revert back to 5.7 as , although not exactly a greased sow in terms of performance, it is certainly less cumbersome than CC.
Which other alternative software did you try, or are you considering? I tried the new capture, but there a display scaling issue with 4K monitors. Any alternatives? On the video side Resolve is becoming strong enough to abandon Premiere. But I need a good alternative for photo cataloging, editing, delivery.
And Adobe, if you are reading, my patience is finished. It has been wasted looking at images while trying to adjust them using sliders that won't move....
My last computer was a 6 core i7 980x with 24GB ram and it was the same.
Meanwhile my i5 model of a Surface Pro 4 tablet runs Lightroom FAR better. Still very slow, but not 10 second waits.
It's been over a year that I've been trying all the different suggestions on websites and forums. I've got tons of non-critical shoots just sitting there, as I can't stand to edit them.
Lately, I've been doing my critical paid work in Canon's (pack-in software) Digital Photo Professional. It sucks for culling, but I'm getting way better color and sharpness than Lightroom's profiles for the Canon 5D mark iv. Plus, I can use Canon's new Fine Detail profile, which is great for my work (food photography).
Looking like I'll have to finally give up and switch to a 3 program workflow of Photo Mechanic > Canon's DPP > Photoshop.
Maybe throw in the towel and switch to shooting JPEG for personal photos, since I haven't wanted to edit those in years, and at least I could lightly stylize them blazingly fast on a 99 cent app on my phone.
I'm running LR 2015.10 on a 2012 13" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz i5, 16GB RAM, Intel HD 3000 integrated graphics, macOS Sierra. SSD system drive, LR catalog on a USB 3 drive via a Thunderbolt dock, RAW files (Canon 6D) on another USB 3 drive also via Thunderbolt. I also have Photoshop and Apple Mail running pretty much always. Built-in screen plus a 25" HP 1920x1080 display.
My catalog has 326,177 photos (referenced), across four drives including three USB 3 and one FW800.
Performance is great. It slows down a bit when I do a big import but otherwise it is not laggy in the slightest. The ONLY thing that really takes forever is backing up the catalog.
Having said that, I pretty much only do global adjustments and export changes to sidecar files. Almost all retouching is in Photoshop.
I use a PC (much better spec'd) at my day job and in testing, LR runs well there under Windows 7. Due to my workflow (lots of scripting and batch processing) I use Bridge instead. Sadly, THAT is a pig. Slowest software in existence.
Moral of the story? YMMV.
Do you calibrate your monitor?
What device do you use?
What is the version of the software you are using?
If you change your monitor to sRGB Profile instead of your calibrated profile is the performance better? Worse? The Same?
Sony NEX 5N
Sony NEX 5R
AMD FX 8350 8 Core Processor 4.0 GHz
Graphics: Radeon RX460
Windows 7 Ultimate
Dual 1080 Displays, Calibrated
Intel i7-3630QM 2.4GHz
Graphics: Nvidia 635M
Windows 10 Home
1080 Display, calibrated
I have upgraded to LR6 from LR5 and I have been using LR6 for over a year now and I am so frustrated with the performance. I process over a thousand images per wedding and LR6 is so slow in loading raw images on the develop module. I know there are workarounds like converting the raw files to DNG first and generating smart previews but these adds extra steps to my processing. This new version of LR is poorly engineered. This is definitely a software issue and the reason I say that is because I downloaded a free trial of Capture One Pro and I am shock at the performance difference. When I am moving from one image to the next while developing in Capture One Pro, there is zero delay in image loading. The image previews load instantly!! I also noticed something that I think is part of the problem and I am convinced LR6 is not programmed right. When you move from image to image, look at the tool panels on the left and right side (presets tool, histogram, tone curve, etc.). What happens when you move from one image to the next? The entire tool panels reload! It almost seem like the programmers took shortcuts and choose to unload and reload the tool panels with new data points instead of just doing a refresh. Compare this to Capture One Pro and you will see what I am talking about.
I have recently happened across a bit of a workaround, by using smart previews and then moving the original RAWs out of the way while editing. When doing this, performance increases dramatically, to the point where it's actually bearable to get things done. There are obviously some drawbacks (you can't view anything at 1:1 for instance), but for working through a few hundred images where you aren't doing any pixel peeping, it helps a lot.
This isn't anything new, and I'm sure others know about this already, but I couldn't see it mentioned on scanning through this thread.
Give it a whirl:
- Generate Smart Previews for the images you want to edit.
- Close Lightroom
- Locate the folder containing the corresponding source RAW images
- Rename this folder (eg put ".tmp" at the end)
- Re-open Lightroom
Once you are done but before exporting, reverse the procedure:
- Close Lightroom
- Put the folder name back to normal (ie remove ".tmp")
- Re-open Lightroom
Is it perfect? Not at all. Should you have to do this? Of course not. But if you need to process 500 images by tomorrow, it is pretty appealing. Hopefully it'll help someone anyway.
Cheers (and bring on performance improvements!)
This issue is getting so unbearable that it's hard for me to continuing paying a subscription for software that is so flawed. However, given so much time is invested into my Lightroom library I feel somewhat trapped. Can someone at Adobe please acknowledge that this issue is being actively worked on?
Man, this software keeps getting worse and worse. Unbelievable.
Maybe Google will acquire Adobe soon and discontinue Imaging software, respectively implement the curve tool into a Google+ photo tool and abandon the rest.
Joking aside. I really start to suspect that something is going on which we're not aware off... But I can smell it...
Lightroom just does not work anymore. From crashing with new drivers to overall poor performance using the sliders and the lack of support for multiple core processors, its just bad code.
So when can we expect fixes instead of new features for all of the above? Or is it a waste of time to remain with Adobe? Capture One Pro actually listens AND responds to its customers...
I have been a Lightroom user since version 1. I have come to love Lightroom and use it daily. I manage multiple catalogs, some small and some large.
From version 1 through version 5.7, I simply loved the software. I was using an HP workstation with 2.1 Ghz Quad-Core processor, 32Gig of 1600 speed RAM, 5400 RPM Hard Drives for my catalog, USB3 Drobos for my photo storage, and an Nvidia video card from 2003 that supported my two monitors (27" LG Monitors - neither is 4k or 5k)). Most of my images are Nikon RAW format from cameras with 12 or 16 megapixel FX sensors (D3, D5, D750, D500).
When Adobe announced the Creative Cloud, I was hesitant but in an effort to remain current, I dove in and began using all Cloud applications (Lightroom was not yet a cloud product). Soon after, Lightroom became a part of the cloud but still a stand alone piece for the most part.
With the advent of Lightroom CC, especially when the new GPU processing was introduced, I felt it was time to upgrade my PC. So, I custom configured a new workstation with 3.3 Ghz 12 Core processor, 64 Gig of 2400 speed RAM, 1 terabyte SSD internal PCI accelerated storage for my catalogs and software, the same USB3 Drobo units for my photos, an NVidia GEForce GTX Titan X Graphics card with 12 Gigi dedicated Video RAM, and the same two monitors.
Every piece of software I use is lightning fast! My computer boots completely from a restart in less than 90 seconds. Only Photoshop and Lightroom perform pitifully. I have spent countless hours working with support people from Adobe, managers from Adobe, and some of their lead engineers (so I'm told) and I have made no progress. After tweaking some settings in one of the last updates with an engineer from Adobe, it looked like it might be a little better. That was an illusion! It is not better and gets miraculously worse with every update. I even asked if I should change graphics cards and the engineer told me my card was fine and I will be okay for the near future with Lightroom. Obviously, this is not the case. In an effort (as per their suggestions) to speed things up, I have deleted all my smart collections and built and tested using brand new catalogs with a few hundred images - nothing seems to help! After an hour of editing, everything slows down so much that I need to exit Lightroom completely and then restart Lightroom - this does give a small measure of relief for a short time!!! I am even editing Smart Previews as they suggested recently and it is still too slow to use!
One thing that helps a little is to disable the GPU altogether in both Lightroom and Photoshop. This is far better for overall performance and gives me more time before I need to exit and restart Lightroom. Why should I need to do this? If the GPU implementation is designed to improve performance, how do I make that happen? I designed and bought this computer with the biggest (RAM) and fastest Graphics board made by NVidia at the time. How do I get the "better performance" promised from the GPU implementation? Adobe can't help or won't help or doesn't know - not sure which!
Along with many loyal Lightroom users, I have been playing with ON1 RAW and just installed the latest RAW update. Had a few issues when I first started to use it so I emailed tech support. A few hours later, I received an email with instructions to update to the latest Graphics driver and try again. They even suggested some settings to change in the graphics driver implementation to improve performance and it works! It simply works. It is not slow by any means and makes Lightroom look positively dead slow. Even Photoshop tools have become slower and are annoying to use now - not so in ON1 RAW.
There are still things missing in ON1 RAW holding me back from cancelling my Adobe cloud subscription and making me stay and SUFFER with Lightroom and Photoshop performance because I love some of the features in Lightroom that are not yet implemented in ON1 RAW. I suspect this issue will be resolved eventually and unless we get some relief from Adobe soon, I suspect many of us will be forced to abandon Lightroom and Photoshop in favor of ON1 RAW.
As always, Adobe is scarily quiet on this issue which has plagued Lightroom for the last few years.
Is it that Adobe does not care?
Does Lightroom perform speedily on Windows computers at Adobe?
Have they tried the graphics card I am using to see if Lightroom is compatible?
Will they even respond?
I work in film and have batches of ~20,000 images to process to HDR and Panorama's on a regular basis. About 18 months ago I had a Dual Xeon desktop which handled it fine (read that as "acceptable") but had to downsize for portability and have an XPS 9560 with 32gb of Ram (2.8GHz Intel Core i7-7700HQ, 1920 screen, etc).
I posted a detailed write up on my experiences on the adobe forums with graphs showing the differences.
^ please check that out Rikk
I'm sure the engineers are aware of the issue, we really do need a fix for this soon.
Bottom line? I'm new to CC (was previously using Lr stand-alone until last month), and now I feel it was probably a mistake to sign up for a subscription model for Lr when the developers don't seem to be interested in solving performance issues that are making the product unusable.
I'll be rethinking my subscription, and hoping that, in the meantime, Adobe decides its Lr customers are worth supporting properly.
No acknowledgement of the problem, no timeline or indication of what's being done to fix it.
Are there just swathes of managers aware this is happening and ignoring it?
Are there meetings where this issue is always the last point on the agenda?
Are there any developers assigned to this at all in a meaningful way?
Are Adobe just prioritising creating more useless apps to get more subscription profits while completely alienating their user base?
The thing is, among record profits they will never care.
You know, no software is better than bad software honestly. You lock people into your ecosystem and then you completely break it. What's the point of that? Do you honestly not have the profits to fix this dismal shambles?