LR is also crashing. Please fix these bugs quick as I have tons of work to get done!
Is it possible to roll back a version? 7.3 can't be used in this state.
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It has some terrible bugs in it. When changing presets the profile resets back to Adobe standard, even if profile isn't checked within that preset. It is making editing a real pain.
LR is also crashing. Please fix these bugs quick as I have tons of work to get done!
Is it possible to roll back a version? 7.3 can't be used in this state.
Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Lightroom Classic 7.3 is now available..
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Can you provide more detailed steps to reproduce or create a video of what you're doing so we can try and reproduce?
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I don't see an easy way of editing out that camera profile except to right click on the preset and select Show in Finder/Explorer (Mac/Win File Manager) and then open the XMP file in the text editor and remove the camera profile entry.
This only works for preset not created and supplied by Adobe. Although if you go directly to the folder the Adobe supplied preset are in you can delete and or edit the XMP file.
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I have realised that the functionality of the "treatment and profile" check box is actually the opposite of all the other checkboxes. If it is not set then it will change the profile back to adobe standard. If it is set then the profile stays as it was. Seems a bit odd to change the operation of this check box out of line with all the others.
Also the standard lightroom presest supplied by adobe can not be moved or deleted and they take up a lot of valuable real estate at the top of the presets panel. A lot of users will never use these and there needs to be an option to move or delete them.
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Produce a preset to change the profile to black and white.
Produce a separate preset to change the clarity to +10 only (nothing else checked)
Select first preset to get black and white profile.
Select second preset for clarity and the profile changes back to Adobe colour.
In the second preset nothing else has been set so nothing else should change. However, if you select "treatment and profile" in the second preset then the profile is not effected. That is the opposite functionality to all other check boxes!
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I have Nates X-Chrome presets. In the presets-film section, there is a camera profile included (Nates Pure Tone camera profile). The 2nd section is X-Chrome developers and 3rd section is X-Chrome tone+paper.
And there the raw changes back to color.
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Yes, 7.2 ignores the ~ so they're identical to the way they were before upgrading.
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If it is that would be Preset Stacking, laying one preset on top of another preset. I'm not sure that was ever the way LR worked. But I could be wrong as I only use preset sparingly and usually only as a Base for other adjustment I make manually.
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Apply a preset with just a clarity adjustment in it and nothing else and it changes the profile! That is just an example of a simple preset, could be something else like vignette too. And LR certainly did work this way fine before, I'm processing thousands of images a week!
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I have found that I can reproduce your issue if I start with one of the Legacy Profiles.

After choosing one of these profiles clicking on any preset causes the image to revert back to a color profile.
For example:
1. Start with a raw image (CR2)
2. Apply Adobe Standard B&W Profile
3. Apply a vignette preset
4. Image changes to color Adobe Standard.
If you start with Landscape B&W it reverts to Camera Landscape after the preset is applied.
If you start with Neutral B&W it reverts to Camera Neutral after the preset is applied.
etc. etc,
Does this match the behavior you are seeing?
In other words, it only works if you use a raw image and start with one of the Legacy B&W profiles.
Let me know it that is what you are seeing.
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I was using "camera standard" which is in the camera matching presets (A Sony camera).
Sometimes it doesn't do it and sometimes it does. I'm trying to work out the differences but there is definitely a big in there somewhere!
Also midi controllers, I know not in adobes interest, but they have been rendered useless. When selecting presets now all the other sliders are reset to zero!
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Confirming that I am seeing the same:
Initial application of any "Legacy" B&W Profiles and subsequent application of Any Preset (except presets in any of the three "Classic B&W" groups) causes profile to immediately revert to color version.
I can work around it, for now, but certainly hope this gets fixed sooner, rather than later.
Thanks.
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On a positive point, I like that the preset preview shows on the main image when you hover over it now, instead of only to the small navigation image.
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LR 7.3 changes profile from BW to Color even when it is not selected in the preset
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Presets (starting with numbers) from 7.2 are mixed, not alphabetical and presets on the left side changes treatment from B&W "Adobe Standard BW" to color "Adobe Standard" even when its just "sharpening" (or dehaze, vigneting, lens correction,...)
Only "Adobe Monochrome" profile stays as it is, without change. But it is totally different from original "Adobe Standard BW" - a diferent BW mix and contrast.
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But there is another big one, what have Adobe done to the API to prevent midi controllers from working? This now ruins my whole work flow!
Only one preset can be applied. If another is applied it resets the previous one!
Example:
preset one has exposure +3 ONLY
preset two has clarity +20 ONLY
If they are pressed in order then preset one, exposure, is rest to zero!
I have simplified this example. If preset one contains a lot of settings then they are all rest to zero when preset two is pressed. Making editing with midi controllers impossible and its the only way to get through hundreds of images in one day.
Adobe, PLEASE fix this. It's urgent!
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1. use one of your old B&W presets (Adobe Standard BW profile)
2. change profile to one of 17 profiles in BW section
3. set amount of profile effect to zero (0%)
4. update your preset
After this works LR fine with my B&W pictures combined with other presets

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However, it appears to reset all the black and white sliders, despite those sliders not being defined when you preset is saved.
UPDATED. You are correct. If you make a preset for only exposure and select the treatment to also save BW1 into the preset at 0% it works.
UPDATE 2: However if the prest you before is an older presets that defines tradicional black and white settings and as such applies the Monochrome profile. It will convert to the new profle at 0% but will reset all sliders to zero in the process.
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Adobe Monochrome profile was bad and unusable for me, even after some matching experiments... you can choose BW1 or what you want (2, 3, 4,..etc), final result is the same with 0% slider - it matches my old profile* :)
*i hope i am correct, i have tested it on just 5 different profiles
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I would love to find a working solution.
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If the classic profile Camera Profile is defined in the same Exposure presets, it does remain black and white but all black and white sliders revert to zero.
It's not hard to reproduce this. The only way bugs this big get thru is when developers don't bother to test their work or correct the problems that arise.
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1. use one of your old B&W presets (Adobe Standard BW profile)
2. change profile to one of 17 profiles in BW section (not Monochrome)
3. set amount of profile effect to zero (0%)
4. update your preset
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Thank you.
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I have an on-going list of workarounds that have been recommended by Adobe experts to do in order to hopefully get some of the expected functionality back on everything that's not working. Here's some of the "expert" advice: If you want your videos to play (hopefully with sound and hopefully that sound doesn't blow your eardrums out) you just need to uninstall Lightroom, reinstall an old version, update twice more, then re-import all of your videos (for the last 10+ years). I'll get right on that. And now I'm supposed to just remake all of my B&W presets that have attached a profile that didn't exist before (Used to just be color or black and white)? Not to mention that when you update your presets, it doesn't tell you which settings were set before. I'd have to zero everything out before applying each preset, make a note of the settings that changed, switch the b&w profile to a non-legacy profile, then move the slider to 0%, then update the preset using my notes to make sure I select the correct settings. I'm tired after just typing that. And there's tons of other things broken and impossible workarounds to "fix" them.
Are we really still being charged for this? The sad thing is that I can't live without it. I've invested too much time making presets and profiles and tone curves and making my catalog and collections what I want them to be... And I can't switch versions because I love the profiles I created from the new Adobe Color profile and switching versions would mean going back to adobe standard and all the other awful profiles for my 5d Mark iv. That would be worse than this...Unless the new profiles work with the older LR Classic CC versions????
Somebody make Lightroom work like it should, please, please, please? Because I need to work.
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- Preset sorting seems to be corrected.
- The bug that was resetting presets from BW seems to be fixed.
- No ability has been added remove the rest of the built-in presets
- An option to disable the full image preview when you mouse over a preset has still not been added. This seems to make things run very slow.
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If using a B&W profile that allows B&W Mix (Adobe Monochrome, legacy bw, etc...) and you turn off the B&W Mix (with the switch), the profile switches to Adobe Standard BW and you have to manually change it back.
Also, perhaps not entirely related, but if anyone knows an answer I'd appreciate it!!
When creating a profile using Adobe Monochrome (or any BW profile that allows B&W Mix), you are only allowed to use the B&W Mix sliders once and then it is grayed out. If you use the B&W mix sliders inside a profile, the panel will be grayed out in the develop module. If you don't use the B&W mix sliders in the profile, the panel will be available in the develop module. Anyone know if this is expected behavior? I really hope it's a bug too...
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I cannot follow your steps here: "When creating a profile using Adobe Monochrome (or any BW profile that allows B&W Mix), you are only allowed to use the B&W Mix sliders once and then it is grayed out. If you use the B&W mix sliders inside a profile, the panel will be grayed out in the develop module." Is it possible you meant 'creating a preset' and not a profile? If not, can you give step-by-step instructions to reproduce what you are seeing?
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I did mean profile.
1. Open a raw image in camera raw.
2. Choose adobe monochrome as the (camera) profile
3. Under the Black & White Mix tab, adjust the sliders (example: red-10, orange-15)
4. At the bottom of the Preset tab, you'll see a "new preset" icon. If you option+click that, it'll bring up the New Profile menu. (I know I'm using "preset" and "profile", but I'm not using them interchangeably...)
5. Make sure the black and white mix is checked, name your profile and choose the set.
6. Click OK.
7. Cancel your edit to close Camera Raw.
8. Open Lightroom (If already open- close and re-open so you can see your new profile)
9. Choose an image and go to Develop Module
10. Find and apply your new profile.
11. Try to adjust the B&W Mix and you'll see that it is grayed out.
12. Repeat with any Legacy profile, including Adobe Standard BW and same thing happens.
13. However, if you DON'T include the B&W mix in your profile (sliders remain at 0), the B&W mix will be available to use in the develop module in Lightroom. It seems you can only use them once: either in your profile, or in the develop module.
My point is that this isn't "normal" behavior for profiles. If I add a tone curve to a new profile, I still have access to the tone curve in Lightroom's develop module. Same with exposure, highlights, etc. I'm sure there are limits- If I use -100 in highlights for a profile I don't know that the develop module will still have -100 to give. But I'm not maxing out any limits with my B&W mix adjustments, and I can only use it once.
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Now I am going to switch to Presets (and still profiles), because there's another problem:
When creating presets (within Lightroom), the Treatment and Profile should be SEPARATE options and not automatically selected when Color or B&W mix are selected . As of now, any preset that includes the B&W mix or HSL sliders AUTOMATICALLY includes the Current Profile and Treatment by default. If I have several B&W mix presets that I want to be able to use with any of the many new B&W profiles, I have to make separate presets for each profile. It's an exponential problem.
Let me say that I think I understand why they are connected:
•If only the treatment is attached to a preset with a B&W mix and the current image is in color, Lightroom doesn't just turn it into b&w anymore- it needs to change the profile. Where treatment is, so must profile be.
But IT'S A PROBLEM. As it is now, there's could be an exponential need for more presets to cover the various combinations of B&W Mixes/HSL adjustments and profiles.
Example with only 2 mixes and 2 profiles:
preset 1: Chocolate B&W profile with B&W mix "1"
preset 2: Chocolate B&W profile with B&W mix "2"
preset 3: Custom B&W "1" profile with B&W mix "1"
preset 4: Custom B&W "1" profile with B&W mix "2"
Now multiply that by all the B&W profiles available (or the ones you use) and then again by the different B&W mixes you use. Then again for the various color profiles you may want to use and the different HSL adjustments you like. It can be overwhelming.
My solution:
Let US CHOOSE whether or not to attach a specific profile to a preset that has B&W Mix or Color adjustments (HSL) knowing that:
1. In the event of a mismatch (i.e. the current image is color and you select a b&w preset with no profile attached) the preset will either do nothing OR use the default B&W/Color profile.
2. If the treatment of a preset (b&w or color) is the SAME as the current image and no profile is attached to the preset, the current image's profile will not be affected.
This way one can create various combinations of presets and not have to duplicate them for each profile in the event the B&W mix/HSL adjustments are used.
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Bottom line-
1. I think something's wrong with the B&W mix inside profiles that is shutting off the ability to make further B&W mix adjustments when a B&W mix is included in the profile.
2. Treatment and Profile NEED to be separated within the preset options, and we should have an option to NOT include the current Profile in a preset where B&W mix or Color Adjustments are selected. Lightroom would need to change the default behavior ONLY in the event of a treatment mismatch (i.e. a b&w preset with a color image and no profile attached to the preset); I suggest it does nothing or the default profile is used.
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What do you mean by transformations? Reset Profiles? Reset Development adjustments/changes?
As far as I can tell the only time profiles are being reset improperly now is when you turn off the B&W mix with the switch. The same thing does not happen for color profiles when you switch off the color/HSL adjustments.
Presets that included the profile when they were created rightfully switch the profile of the current image. Because of that, I do think there should be a change in the way the treatment and profile are automatically selected when B&W mix or HSL is included in a preset. I think treatment and profiles should be separate, and I think that profiles should not be automatically checked for presets.
Presets are not resetting profiles when profiles are not included in the preset (as designed). I argue that when saving presets, the treatment and profile options should not be combined and the profile should not be automatically selected when creating a preset with either B&W mix or HSL adjustments. Implementing this would mean addressing the reasons (I suspect) they are currently grouped together and automatically selected when B&W mix or Color adjustments are included in a preset: In the event there is a treatment mismatch between a preset with no profile included and the image. (i.e in the event a preset with b&w mix, b&w treatment, and no profile is applied to a color image). I suggest in those events, the preset either does nothing (since without changing the profile the other adjustments would not be available) or Lightroom selects a default profile with the same treatment as the preset.
Examples:
(assuming treatment and profile are no longer together, and profile is not automatically selected when creating presets with B&W mix/HSL adjustments)
1. Current image: Adobe Color profile (treatment: color)
Preset: includes B&W mix, treatment (black & white), and NO profile.
Problem: Treatment mismatch between current image and preset
Solutions: ONLY in situations where there's a treatment mismatch between the current image and a preset without a profile included, Lightroom will choose to:
1) do nothing
2) Choose a default profile that matches the treatment in the preset (adobe Monochrome)
Add a warning if you must explaining what will happen if there's a treatment mismatch and no profile is selected. But this is a better option than being forced to create duplicate presets for each profile.
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What do you mean by transformations? Reset Profiles? Reset Development adjustments/changes?"
I meant transformations. The thing you do in the Transform block, like Guided Upright. That's not important however. What is important is that some adjustments were reset, and that the ProcessVersion stored in the preset turned out to be the culprit.
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