Lightroom 2015.7+: Panels and filmstrip black when switching to Develop

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Not sure if this is the right place for a bug report, if not could anyone direct me to the right place please.

Clicking develop module at top right from the Library module opens the photo with film strip and both side bars black empty spaces. Initial few times I had to quit and restart Lightroom but then discovered switching to grid view again and develop keyboard short cut, everything comes back.
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David Evans

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Just installed LR Classic on Mac @ OS Sierra 10.12.6. Screens stilllllllll going BLACK! Adobe has not resolved this issue YET?
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Craig Richards

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Yup, same here!! I'm getting seriously pissed off with Adobe! 
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Gillian Lloyd

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Me too - A real pain!
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Steve SCHNEIDER

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LR still goes black on my laptop since I upgraded to LR Classic.  I am using MAC 10.11.6  ADOBE FIX THIS NOW!!!!!!  QUIT passing the buck.  I would hate to move over to the other product that is out there.  From the reviews, it is much better.......  It would take alot of time to move, it might be worth it.
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Official Response
Hi Steve,

As noted before, this is a bug introduced at the macOS level. Through collaboration with Apple, they have made a fix in the later version of the macOS update. So the right thing to do is to update to the more recent version of macOS when possible.

Having said that, Lr team have done our best to workaround this issue for the cases that we can reproduce for macOS 10.11.6. But there is a limit can Lr can do.

Hope you understand the situation.
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Actually no--I don't understand this situation.  So let me get this straight--Apple has a bug in their OS that only affects Lightroom---to me, thats not a bug, thats a microscopic creature that doesn't effect anything but your software.  In other words, I don't buy you passing the buck.  Using your criteria, should I assume that it's Apples fault that your product runs so slow and seems to be aggravating more people daily? Is it Microsoft's problem too?  Just fix the problem--it's been going on for way to long. 
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From what I have read in the previous replies, LR still has the problem in Sierra.
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Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist

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Hi Steve, macOS 10.13 + Lr Classic CC (or Lr 6.13) is the best combination for the fix. 

Hi David, Except in this case, Lr has no part in rearranging the Windows when the black panel bug happens. It happens transparently to Lr. You should trust the experts from Apple and Adobe in investigation the issue.
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WOW Mr Chen-"You should trust the experts from Apple and Adobe in investigation the issue."  That is quite a statement to make from a company that has NOT made significant progress in dealing with this issue for I do not know how long.  There have been more than a few with that configuration or one very similar that CONTINUE to have these issues.  PLEASE do not throw the expert card out unless your companies willing to step up and resolve these EXTREMELY long standing issues that have crossed over multiple OS and LR updates that never quite fix it.  THAT is very disingenuous of you.  
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Steve SCHNEIDER

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I never had any blackouts when I was using LR 6. The stand alone product.  This seems to start when Adobe went to LR CC. 
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Randy Harmon

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Sorry Simon!!!! THIS SUCKS!!!!! I have been dealing with this for over a year or more now...LONG before Sierra and High Sierra ....so that means you have had knowledge of something that only Adobe has a problem with and you create something that does NOT work on a MAC!!!! Lame excuses.....as I continue to have to put out money on a subscription service that is now not caring wether or not it puts out a working product! Let's announce a new feature before we fix the problem with the present product!!!!! Stupid!!! This is not a "every so often" problem.....almost every click of the mouse wether it be to move the window on my screen to changing tools!!!! HUGE problem!!!!! FIX IT!!!!!! ....and no I don't really expect you or adobe to answer...me personally.....but know this...as a professional photographer CAPTURE ONE is looking very good right now!!!!!! For all those that care to contact me regarding this ... randy@randyharmonphoto.com
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Since no other software that I know of has this problem with macOS, it seems to me that the bug is a problem with Lightroom, not with macOS, and Adobe should be able to fix their software, if they stake some responsibility and care about their customers. Terrible behavior from Adobe to simply push this off onto Apple, or onto customers to upgrade their OS (which may or may not actually work).

I continue to have this blackout problem on El Capitan 10.11.6 for many months, thru multiple Lightroom versions.
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Finally this problem has diminished for me.



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Still having this issue after updating to the newest MacOS and version of Lightroom Classic:

El Capitan 10.11.6

LR Classic 7.0.1

Mac Pro (Late 2013)
3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5
64GB 1866 MHz DDR3 ECC
AMD FirePro D500 3072 MB
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Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging

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El Capitan is pretty old. You shouldn't hit this issue in Sierra or High Sierra.
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David Evans

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Yes this issue will not go away until Adobe repairs the issue, they told me it was there issue and are working on it. It is not your computer! Have you tried to minimize LR and than expand/ It works most of the time but not every time fo rme.
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Minimizing and expanding (Hide/Show from the task bar) works for me, but it is still painful, and should be an embarrassment for Adobe. The blackout happens multiple times per hour. Since other Adobe apps, like Photoshop, do not have this problem, it is clearly an issue with Lightroom, not with Apple. El Cap is not that old. No excuses to not support it. And as others have reported, it is still happening with Sierra.
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David Evans

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Yes it is painful but this is better than spending hours on the phone with Adobe only to given the run around and still have the same issue.
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Gillian Lloyd

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This is so true!  Been through this myself and never again - Terrible support service. 
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Timothy Porter

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New problem for me with Lightroom Classic CC. Identical behavior. only solution has been to quit / restart. Happens going in and out of Develop mode. Killing my workflow after big shoots. If Adobe says Lightroom Classic CC can't run on mac 10.11+, then my choice is todrop $4,000 on a new Mac or get out of Lightroom. Need a Lightroom version that runs on El Cap.

1. OSX El Capitan 10.11.8
2. Your Lightroom version (Help>System Info...)

3.  Running on Quad Mac Pro Early 2009 that cannot run 10.12 / Sierra.
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It's absolutely obnoxious. I run version 7.0.1 on El Capitan 10.11.6 and it just keeps happening over and over again and again. ARRG!!!
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I just switched over to LR Classic and now the black panels are back. I am a professional photographer and this is also killing my workflow. It came on gradually after a few days. I had been using the version previous to the Classic on El Capitan with the same problem that finally went away after an update. Now, it's back and  much worse!!!! NOT HAPPY ADOBE! Thinking of moving over to DXO or Capture One Pro, both of which I have purchased but just haven't gotten used to them...yet.
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I am getting this on Lightroom Classic - have tried uninstalling and reinstalling but still, when I enter develop mode, the image blacks out as soon as you try to do anything with it. Everything else appears to carry on as though the image was there - very frustrating!
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I just upgraded to High Sierra (10.13.1). I'll post back once I see if I'm still getting the problem. The good news is the upgrade (from El Capitan) seems to have gone smoothly.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Panels and Filmstrip go black on entering Develop.

Just as the title states. At some point, this happens every time I use the program. Started after the Class CC name change/update.

If I use D shortcut rather than clicking the Develop Button sometimes it does not happen.
Sometimes the panels are black in the Library Module as well.

Restarting the program corrects it but it always recurs.


Mac El Capitan 10.11.6
Lr Classic CC 7.0.1
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Getting so tired of this all the past years comments here have been happening to me for the past year also! Adobe is really dropping the ball!  I pay monthly for something that does not work! This happens several times a minute trying to get menus back and perform the same thing I did a minute earlier just to have them disappear again and again. FIX IT ADOBE!!!! Capture one wants my business and are looking great right now!!!! ElCapitan 10.11.6, Lightroom Classic CC 7.1, Camera Raw 10.1. ....And don't you dare tell me it's Apple's fault or do this work around or that work around, or anything else,,,FIX IT!!!!!!........... do you even get why people won't ever adopt Adobe's DNG format???? I do!!!!
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I am equally frustrated. The problem diminished for a while but is now constantly interrupting me. 
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Official Response
Hi all,

As Simon and Jeff have already mentioned in this thread, please make sure your macOS is updated to at least macOS Sierra 10.12 and at least Lightroom Classic 7.0 or Lightroom 6.13.

The best combo to avoid this issue is being on macOS High Sierra 10.13 and Lightroom Classic 7.1 or Lightroom 6.13.

The team has worked pretty hard with Apple to get this issue to stop appearing with macOS Sierra 10.12 and macOS High Sierra 10.13. Improvements were made in 10.12 and iterated upon for 10.13.

If you are on macOS High Sierra 10.13 and Lightroom Classic 7.1 or Lightroom 6.13 and you still see this issue, please let us know here with a copy of the System Info from your Lightroom product (Help > System Info > Copy).

Thanks,
Melissa
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Such a cop out! I haven't upgraded so you can say this! El Capitan is not that old of an OS to not be supported!!! Do your job and fix something that has been happening for over a year and half! Don't act like it is something new that all of sudden it will be fixed because of some other companies system. This has gone on WAY TOO LONG!!!!! Fix it!!
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Randy Harmon

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Your taking my money to use something that doesn't work!!!!!!
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Randy Harmon

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Here's an idea!!!!......... stop charging us for this until you get it fixed! That will wake your team up real quick!!!!
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Thomas Postel

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My hardware prevents me from upgrading to 10.12 or 10.13. I'm constrained to 10.11.6 and I don't intend to get a new Mac just for this. Is there any help for 10.11.6 users?
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Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist

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Unfortunately not. It would require fixes in the macOS.
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Simon, sorry that is a very bad excuse. Photoshop doesn't have this problem, neither does Bridge, or On1, or Capture1, or any other app, yours or your competitors. This is clearly something specific to Lightroom that can be solved by a change in Lightroom.
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Exactly Andy! In another post I suggested they not charge us the monthly subscription for something that doesn't work until they get it fixed! That should piss of executives and bring them down onto the LR team to get their sh_t together or they are gone! Maybe a social media blast all over every platform to let everyone know LR has now gone into the gutter of bad software! Used to love working in it....still do....UNTIL this past year!!!!
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Well at least we now have a definitive answer from Simon Chen. And the answer is NO. No more waiting and hoping. There will be no fix for those of us using computers that cannot be upgraded beyond El Capitan. We are out of luck.  I had to resolve the problem a while ago so I could get work done. So I rolled back to the version just before the problems began and everything works fine. You can find instructions here https://www.lightroomqueen.com/roll-back-update-previous/

This is not a desireable way to deal with it. It's frustrating to have been waiting for a solution so long,  but until I decide what's next at least I am done with this problem and can get work done. 
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I upgraded to High Sierra 10.13.2, and the latest version of LR Classing (7.1). Now LR crashes multiple times each hour. WAY WORSE THEN EVER BEFORE. ALMOST UNUSABLE. ADOBE, what is your problem with delivering quality software?
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I was having similar issues with LR crashing, for me it happened most often when importing new photos.  While frustrated and troublehsooting, I found that it happened if I had PS open.  It's ridiculous that I have to close photoshop (and consequently any projects I was working on) in order to have LR import without crashing!
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Forking this comment about a crashing issue to get more focused eyes on it. Please reference the new conversation here: Lightroom Classic 7.1 & macOS High Sierra 10.13.12 Crash
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Well Melissa ....what thread do you guys have where we can just tell you to fix it!!!!!!  You guys really know how to hide behind these chats ...and only reply when you feel like it! Give us your phone number and have the guts to answer in person!!!!!
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Hi Randy,

I've forked this user's comment because his issue is about a crash with Lr Classic 7.1 and High Sierra which is unrelated to the issue you're pretty passionate about: panels going black for users on El Capitan.

Forking it will help him get dedicated support for his issue rather than it being lost in this comment thread.

Hope that makes sense!

Thanks,
Melissa 
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Hi Melissa and fellow sufferers. I had high hopes that the latest update to Lightroom would address this problem of panels/filmstrip going black in MacOS El Capitan, but no. If anything, the problem is worse. Clicking tools, such as crop, in the Develop mode causes it also. My hardware does not allow me to use High Sierra. I'm constrained to El Capitan. Why can't this problem be resolved for El Capitan users?
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In the week after I posted this, I've had better luck. Why it was so bad initially seems puzzling. The main trick to avoid the problem seems to be to never minimize. I reduce the size of the window if I'm not working in Lightroom, rather than hide it.
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I think the 7.3 version of Lightroom fixes the problem. Cautiously optimistic. I keep testing it, but so far, no side panel black-outs. Fingers crossed!
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Thomas Postel

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Shucks, side panels blacked out moving from web to develop. Very disappointing.
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Randy Harmon

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Well Melissa, FORK these comments to the higher ups and get something done!!!!
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Randy Harmon

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Well Melissa, FORK these comments to the higher ups and get something done!!!!
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Randy Harmon

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Andy Charnas and Thomas Postel please contact me at..... rotophoto@gmail.com. This is a secondary email than my main one just in case of spammers. Please send me info or I will send you my phone on a return email to discus this and how we possibly can get a conference call w/Adobe! Capture 1 is looking better all the time.
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Moved to LR 7.3 ...faster a bit, was working fine ...I thought ....Great! They fixed it....then BLACKED OUT PANELS AGAIN!!!!!!!! then slowly started happening more and more. So.....LR TEAM what the heck are you going to do!????? El Capitan, 10.11.6 (heard it was worse in HighSierra), LR 7.3, Camera Raw 10.3.  ALSO...FYI..... happens when you mouse click in LR ....using "D" key to go to develop mode or arrow keys to go to next frame works fine....MOUSE CLICKS are what is doing it!!!! Dang....FIX IT!!!!!!! ....worse thing to do is blame it on Apple!!! Cop out!
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These blacked out panels indicate a video problem.  I have the latest version of LR and High Sierra.  I have never experienced this issue on any version of LR and on any previous versions of the operating system.  So, IMO the problem is not with LR and not with high Sierra. "heard it was worse in HighSierra" is hearsay from likely unreliable sources on the web. Unless you have seen the problem on High Sierra with your own eyes, this is not a reliable statement.  Upgrading your OS to 10.13.4 might just very well fix your issue.  Your operating system is 2 years out of date.  In computer terms this is practically antediluvian.

Now lets look at your problem as a hardware problem on YOUR machine.  That it happens with a mouse click also suggests  a video problem.  Are you using a 3rd party mouse?  If so is the driver up to date on your Mac?

Which Video card?  How much VRAM?  Is the GPU a supported GPU in LR?   How much RAM do you have installed?  How much free space on the Primary drive for Working storage?  Is you video card failing?   If you Mac looked like mine, I don't see how you could be having an issue.  Certainly not an issue that you can blame on Adobe. 
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Randy Harmon

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That must mean a lot of people I know have video problems. Professional commercial photographers with different machines. I am also not the only one with this problem on here! Mac user since 1985...... not one other problem with a very good machine... photoshop also working fantastic, camera raw stand alone ....not one problem!
24gb ram, 2x2.4 ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processor, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024mb,
L2 Cache 256kb per core, L3 Cache 12 mb per processor.... apple wireless mouse, 150 GB free on main HD, 1.5 TB free on scratch disk. Video card not failing... no other problems on this machine. Also remember what I posted...this has been going on for almost 2 years.
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Until you are willing to rule out the hardware and operating system version as a cause, you can't say it is Adobe's fault.  Consider the fact that there are more people running LR Classic and High Sierra that don't have the problem and you will have to agree that there are differences that are unique to your environment that are causing the problem. If everyone running Lightroom on MacOS had your problem that I would say that you have a case.  Because they don't, you need to figure out what is different in your setup that makes this issue occur.I volunteer support at Lightroomforums.net and have resolved many similar complaints by solving the video mouse driver problem.   A corrupt color profile for your monitor is also a candidate. 
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Randy Harmon

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Run new profiles every month (with Spectraview for 2690wuxi monitor) software and have also done (compared) EyeOne software with EyeOne puck. I also would consider many other options but with not one other thing happening on a power used computer.....no other problems. Also looking at some of your posts....you seem to have other problems that I didn't have...... strange!!! many things do happen to other users that don't happen to you...kind of like getting a car that is a lemon or has problems that someone else dosen't have! I am not a dummy when it comes to Mac Issues.... have done tests on video card performance and disk utilities test, disk warrior tests, permissions tests, cache tests, , etc,etc......as far as people running High Sierra ...look back and there are people that have switched and are far worse off! ..Also when it comes to whether or not I should or shouldn't listen to someone with the same problem......or not....if they are wrong ....why should I listen to you???
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"....why should I listen to you???"  You re right.  There are a lot of talking heads on the internet. Everybody is an expert. If you want to dig a little deeper in to my posting here, you will find that with few exceptions, they are responses to other people with other problems. The other were legitimate LR bugs that can be documented and are repeatable on other hardware.  The difference between me and those people with your problem is that I have a reputation for solving LR problems. (Over 13,000 posts at Lightroomforums.net) They most likely don't have a reputation for solving LR problems. 
This forum is not IMO the menu for solving an individual's computer problems that show up with LR. It takes a lot of back and forth and trial and error to isolate a problem like yours.  While I think I can eventually identify your problem, I can not change your attitude. 
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> El Capitan, 10.11.6 (heard it was worse in HighSierra), LR 7.3, Camera Raw 10.3

It's not worse on High Sierra. It's a conflict with El Capitan. It's solved on High Sierra. Adobe worked with Apple to get it fixed. If you can upgrade to High Sierra, you can save yourself a lot of heartache. Bear in mind that El Capitan will drop off the supported list later this year, so you'd need to upgrade then anyway.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled All side panels going black in Classic CC 7.4.

I'm running 7.4 Classic CC on a Mac running El Captain and have noticed that while working within LR every single side panel will go black.  They're not collapsed, they just lose all of their content.  The only thing shown is the image (as if you hit lights out, but not really because some borders are still there)

I know this was a bug two years ago.  I'm wondering if it's unique to me or if others are experiencing it too and it's back?  It's frustrating because I have to minimize and restore LR to get them back, and while they're gone I can't navigate to another photo, etc.
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The problem is Macos 10.11 (El Capitan): see the official Adobe replies at the top of this topic: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-2015-7-in-macos-sierra-bugs?topic-r...

Even though Adobe's system requirements say Macos 10.11 (El Capitan) or later, it doesn't appear there is a solution for this bug other than to upgrade to a later version of Macos.
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My hardware does not allow me to upgrade past El Capitan, so I'm stuck. The workaround I'm using is to shrink the window (not minimize) when I'm not using LR. It's not optimal but it is functional.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Side panels go black.

Been having that issue randomly on my ex-macpro 5.1 macosx 10.11.6
It's completely absurd and it can be dealt by disabling GPU acceleration. Yet, this is almost a stupid solution.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Lightroom Classic: When I switch between modules, the panels go black.
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LR is tripping over a bug in Macos 10.11. The only reliable solution is to upgrade to 10.12 or 10.13.  See the official reply: 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-2015-7-in-macos-sierra-bugs?topic-r...