Let in Library->Rename Photo use the same set of templates and fields as in Import->File renaming

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It is difficult now to get the same file names if you import files in different ways, for instance you have template for renaming files when importing photos using Copy, Copy as DNG, Move. But when you import photos using Add, you need to rename files through Library->Rename Photo where your template is not available and field {Shoot Name} is also unavailable. While the renaming is still doable it requires more work than needed.
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First thing that comes into my mind: Why should you want to rename your pictures during Import? I allways use Copy (convert to DNG makes no sense for me, good support for NEF an NRW will last long enough as long as Nikon and Adobe support that), so... I leave filenames untouched, let Lightroom choose the directory-structure (year/month/day/), so you can later easily archive your photo's, by year, e.g. Then I organize them in Lightroom, using keywords (Shoot Name??), stars, eventually collections, etc. So I can find everything back!! Only on Export I change the filename, mostly by putting the Date-Time Photographed Time-stamp in front, so they are sorted the right way (using different camera's) in your output-directory.
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LR renamer is dedicated tool to rename photos not just files. It stores original file name in the metadata, it uses date/time from the metadata and so on. It would be very difficult for you to achieve the same results using a file manager.
Meaningful file names are useful when you work with files outside of LR.
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My workflow is somewhat different from Ruurd's, but I also do not rename my images in LR.  I upload my images from the cards onto an external 20TB RAID drive.  I then rename the images by inserting the <Shoot Name> before the filename created by the camera.  Example: Shoot Name - DSC_20180218.cr2  or .arw.  (I also ensure the file extension is lowercase.)  All renaming is performed in Path Finder 8 on my Mac Pro. The images are deposited into a subfolder of the Shoot Name called 'unprocessed.'

Then I Import into LR from the directory on the drive, using the 'Add' conditional, and I do not let LR make the backups to another directory.  I have an external program which mirror the 20TB RAID onto an identical 20TB RAID.  (Another program, Backblaze, backups up the 20TB RAID to the cloud.)

Organization is LR is much like what Ruurd does; keywords, stars, ratings, smart collections, etc.

When I have completed post-processing, the images are exported from LR into the 'processed' folder, usually as tiffs, with all of the keywords.

I do not allow LR to maintain the images, only the metadata in the catalog covering the post-processing.  Frankly, Lightroom is terrible at operating system file management.
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That's ok, I know guys who survive without LR at all using RAW Therapee or other available RAW converters. But my point is to make LR better. At least for those who uses it's features.
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Frankly, Adobe is just not very good at making things better.  They are great at code bloat, worthless features which perform poorly, and continually degradation of performance.

I would much rather see them strip out useless features (GPS, facial recognition, book, slideshow, and web) and focus on making the core program far more efficient, able to utilize multi-core processors, and move to a full 5th referential relational database.

Then they can add bells and whistles.

Wishful thinking, methinks...
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Actually the templates are the same. There are a few things that may not be available anymore after import (like that 'Shoot Name' field), but most templates give exactly the same results whether you use them on import or later.


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There is no any clear reason why those things are not available after Import. To me it looks like code bloat in Lightroom - two renamers instead of one. Besides the incompatibilities, F2 renamer lacks history of field values which is available in the Import renamer. Not sure, why you're trying to convince me that it is not important.
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I'm not trying to convince you that it is not important. I'm just showing you that Lightroom does use the same templates. There are some things that may not be available if you rename already imported images (can't always tell you why), but the rename templates are the same.
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In your post, you obviously showed templates which don't contain fields that are not available in F2 renamer. If you create a template that contains {Shoot Name} , for instance, it won't be present in F2 renamer templates. And this is the problem I'm talking about.
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I understand your problem. If these images are all from the same shoot, then you could solve this by creating a special F2 rename template where ‘Shoot Name’ is replaced by custom text that you enter when you apply the template.
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Yes, as I wrote in the original post I can do this but it is wrong way of doing things. There is no any need to have two (or may be more?) renamers in one product. It's confusing.
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Is there any way to edit the original post?
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No, you can’t edit a post once it had replies.

I’m not sure about this (and I only have my iPad with me so I can’t check it), but I believe that the problem may be that Shoot Name isn’t stored in any metadata field. In other words; once the image has been imported, there is no reference to the shoot name anymore. That would explain why you can’t rename it accordingly after it has been imported.
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As far as I understand, Shoot name is just another Custom name field which is is concatenated to the rest of file name in the standard LR way (with '-' character) . Regards to metadata, you can modify it at any time so it would be strange reason to don't have the field available for templates. I guess that the case a developer implemented when adding Shoot name just not mentioned F2 renamer, that's why they are different now