Lightroom Classic: Lens Correction preset editing dialog disregards checkboxes

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I've been trying to create presets for Lens Correction.

The checkboxes in the (Develop) Presets editing dialog under Lens Correction seem to suggest that you can choose to either save the setting for Distortion or for Vignetting or for both in the preset, depending on whether the checkbox in front of the option has been checked.
However, it seems that Lightroom CC Classic is completely disregarding whether the box was checked or not and saves both values in the preset.

When I create a preset with only Distortion @ 100 and Vignetting @ 50 and save the setting as a new preset and UNcheck the box for Vignetting, Lightroom still 'remembers' the value for Vignetting.
When, in the Developing module, I set both values for Lens Correction to zero (0) and apply the preset that I created above, Distortion will be set at 100 (as expected when I created the preset), but it will also change the value for Vignetting to 50 (which is not what I'd expect since I UNchecked the box for Vignetting when I created the preset).
If it's not possible to create a Lens Correction preset just for Distortion or just for Vignetting, than these checkboxes should be removed from the dialog.Otherwise, please fix this. Because it's very confusing for users.
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"If it's not possible to create a Lens Correction preset just for Distortion or just for Vignetting, than these checkboxes should be removed from the dialog.Otherwise, please fix this."

Those checkboxes refer to the Lens Corrections> Manual tab's Distortion and Vignetting settings and not the Lens Profile settings. Why do you want to apply only the Lens Profile Distortion setting with a preset? We can probably come up with a better solution once we understand exactly what you're trying to do.

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Thanks for replying.

I only use the Profile tab in the Lens Correction panel for camera and lens model based corrections. This works fine for me. I never use the Manual tab.

I've created a Develop Preset for importing images with some basic 'corrections' I wanted applied automatically. When I created this preset, I had a certain value set in both the Distortion and Vignetting fields (on the Profile tab) and had ALL checkboxes under Lens Correction enabled in the Develop Preset dialog. When applying this preset, amongst the other 'corrections', both distortion and vignetting values are applied according to the values they had when I created the preset. So far so good.

While trying to create a set of develop presets that target specific types of 'corrections' I discovered that both distortion and vignetting are applied, even if the checkbox for one or the other was UNchecked when creating the development preset.

I was under the impression that, when UNchecking the Distortion checkbox in the Develop Preset dialog, I would ONLY store the Vignetting value in the preset as applied on the Profile tab in the Lens Correction pane of de Develop module. And vice versa, when UNchecking the checkbox for Vignetting, ONLY the Distortion value would be saved in the preset.
This seems not to work the way I expected. Instead, the values in both fields are stored in the preset. Making it impossible for me to create a preset that only applies distortion or vignetting and leaves the current value of the other field unchanged.

If what you say is true, than the Develop Preset dialog is incomplete, because there are quite a few options on the Manual tab of the Lens Correction pane available that are NOT represented in the Develop Preset dialog.

Besides, the options that are available in the Develop Preset dialog seem to best match the options that are available on the Profile tab in the Lens Correction pane.

For me it's very confusing, to say the least...

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Currently it is not possible to select the Lens Corrections> Profile Distortion or Vignetting settings separately when creating a Develop preset or Syncing Develop settings. That's why I asked exactly what you're trying to do as we may have other workarounds to accomplish your objective. Normally Lens Profile Distortion and Vignetting corrections are both applied using the default 100 setting. You can change the lens profile default settings to what ever values you want and then select 'Save New Lens Profile Defaults' in the Setup drop down menu. These settings are lens specific and different settings can be used for each lens. These settings will be applied to future file imports and they can be sync'd to files already imported.
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"there are quite a few options on the Manual tab of the Lens Correction pane available that are NOT represented in the Develop Preset dialog"

All of the options in the Lens Corrections do appear to be represented in the Develop Preset dialog. Here's how they map:


Note that there are two bugs in 7.3.1 where the setting of the on/off switch at the very top and the Constrain Crop setting are not captured by presets.  Prior to 7.3 they were captured, and bug reports have been filed on both issues.
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OK, I get your point.

However, from my own experience and from resources I've found on the internet, it seems that the checkboxes for Lens Corrections in the Develop Presets dialog are relate to the values set for Distortion and Vignetting on the Profile tab in the Lens Corrections pane in the Develop module whem saving the preset.
(http://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2017/09/setting-custom-develop-defaults-in-lightroom-cc.html).
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If that were true then how would you separately select the Manual tab Distortion and Vignetting settings? These controls are separate and work "independent" from the Lens Corrections Profile settings. They are normally used when there is no Lens Profile available, but they can be used together with the Lens Profile in an "additive" function.
You still haven't explained WHY you want to apply only Lens Profile Distortion using a Develop preset. Why not both Distortion and Vignetting correction? If you can provide some good examples where that capability is helpful we can turn this into a 'Feature Request,' which may get Adobe's attention.
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Well,

As a concert photographer I've found that applying Vignetting Lens Corrections to the default value of 100 (or even 50) makes, depending on the type of shot, the corners too bright and creates unrealistic images with a lot of noise in the corners (due to the use of high ISO's). However, dealing with the fairly rectangular or square 'backline' of speaker cabinets and amplifiers on stage and lighting rigs above the performers, Distortion Lens Correction on the other hand is very helpful.
This is why I would want to be able to have a develop preset being able to simply nullify the Vignetting value without toughing the Distortion value or a preset that affects only the Distortion value and not affecting the Vignetting value. Now I have to create several presets for every pssible combination of values for Distortion and VIgnetting, which is cumbersome at best.
I can do this in the Lens Corrections panel itself, but a develop reset that could do this would be very helpful.
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I totally agree with your observations. What I did is change the Lens Profile 'Default Settings' for each lens to values that work best with the majority of my shooting situations. I have all of my lenses set to Distortion 0 and Vignetting 50 for wide angle and 75 for all other lenses. I only add Distortion correction to images that have "visual" curvature. Most images don't need it and actually look better without it (i.e. no corner stretching).  In your case a default Distortion and Vignetting setting of 50 might be a better starting point. You can then make changes if required to a set of similar images by adjusting one and then use 'Sync' Settings. If you try to do this using a Develop preset you'll need to create presets for each lens since it applies not only the settings, but the specific lens profile as well. Just some suggestions as it's not likely Adobe will implement this capability.