Photoshop: Lazy Mouse (Brush stroke smoothing)

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A lazy mouse feature in PS would be great. (like the one in Zbrush)

There is an external program called Lazy Nezumi, but this only 'works' on PC, & not on Mac (sadface)
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I'm casting my vote for a modernized smoothing algorithm. All of the above mentioned apps would be great. I'll throw in that Manga Studio/Clip Studio Paint has really nicely configurable stabilization settings as well (if any devs are researching this).
I'll also mention that none of these other drawing/painting apps have any Cintiq related wobble issues (that are somehow tied to zoom level) like Photoshop has. I have to assume the way PS deals with raw incoming pen data is just very different from everyone else.
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Joel Åkerman

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Hi, Mark!
I enjoy your work, and have done for quite a while.
Did you get your wobbly lines fixed?
It's been an ongoing thing for ages, and I've had it both at my work and home Cintiqs/Intuoses.
I found a reliable fix that worked for me the last few years.
If you're on Mac, update the driver and the OS to the latest, they came out with a fix around Christmas, or if you're on pc, check this link out: http://www.yjstudios.com/blog/2014/05...

I hope it helps, that wobbly line is so insanely frustrating.

Thanks,
Joel Akerman
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Thanks, man! Bunches of great work on your site, BTW. I did find a partial solution with old wacom drivers. It helps about 25%. The issue with photoshop is closely tied to zoom. If I zoom to 100%: no wobble. If I open a document and don't touch the zoom: No wobbles. It's never a nice line you'd get on paper or in other software, but it's not shaky. 
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Joel Åkerman

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That sucks, sorry you didn't get it to work all the way!
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eartho, Champion

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Yes, please.This tool/feature is long overdue.
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Daniela Peralta

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yes, please, i need this feature since ever!!!, when i used PC (wich i miss), i had to use another program, and it was annoying having to switch from softwares, at least i could do it. But now i use Mac in my work, so i dont have any option left.
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You can use Sketchbook, Daniela. It has a feature called "Steady Stroke" which delays the movement you make with strokes - and you can adjust it. It's pretty good.
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yeah, I know, i still have my pc at home where i can use other software that also has lazy mouse. But i have to use Mac in my work and they don't allow me to install any other software ( we have adobe cloud) unless is open source. I tried to install mypaint via mac ports, but i find it too difficult, since i don't have knowledge in programming.

Anyway it would be nice if photoshop considers including this feature.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled lazy nezumi.

How is this not native to Photoshop?!?! Even on my iPad, ArtStudio does this. I can't understand how this is not a #1 priority.
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markbehm71

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Heh. I'm afraid we (digital artists, at least) only make up a tiny, niche customer base for PS. 
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WAH!
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markbehm71

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I used to point people to one of a few other good software options for line-work. But now all I have to do is say use ANY other drawing/painting software for the task. $ or free. I seriously haven't come across a single one that doesn't have both functional drawing (that's not wiggly on a cintiq), as well as post-corrected and/or lazymouse ones to boot.
The king of digital imaging software is the only one left.
I guess it's good to be on top.
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Photo Retouchers would love to have this feature as well.
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PerceptiveMonkey

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So true!
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david Watson

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Check this out! Hej Stylus! a Lazy Nezumi equivalent for Mac, coming very soon! http://hejstylus.com, thanks to Eilert Janßen and to Patrick Deen (maker of the awesome Animators Toolbar add-on for Photoshop) for letting me know about it :)
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Great news. Thanks for sharing...
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Cathrine Helle

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I'm going to try this this weekend. If this works, it will be awesome :D
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Bridgette Orozco

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no trial though. I would like to see how it works and if I like it before unloading 12 euros on it.there are various types of stabilization, Im not so sure I like the type this software uses.
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Cathrine Helle

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I know, but this feature is important to me, so I'm willing to risk it. I'll share my experience if you like :)
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Bridgette Orozco

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that'd be great, thanks :)
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PerceptiveMonkey

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I picked up a surface Pro 4 back in December and have been using lazy mouse with it. I wish they made it four Macintosh too since that is my primary workstation. I cannot say enough good things about the software is hard to believe that it's an ad on. Adobe should give him a bunch of million dollars and built it in.
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I tested this rather quickly last night and it works as advertised. The lines I get are much smoother, especially the longer lines that are drawn slowly. This is a huge benefit I think, because my strokes look really bad normally when I go slow. This gives me more accuracy. There is however, some more lag, and much less responsive when I draw smaller lines like small circles. Then I have to go REALLY slow to let the calculation catch up. My computer is not super-powerful, and the image I tested on had a high resolution (3400 px X 3400 px). I suppose there will be less lag with a more powerful computer or a smaller image, but I haven't tested this.

There are 4 (or 5, I can't remember) standard settings and a slider which control how much smoothing is being calculated. I found it work best at the 250-setting. Disabling the smoothing requires a left-click on the symbol in Finders menu-bar, so it's really easy toggling between on/off smoothing.

An annoying bug is that the brush-size slider (and keyboard shortcut with alt+ctrl and clicking/dragging) doesn't work properly when Hej stylus is activated. I had to manually type in brush-size or click on the slider to change size. I did get the keyboard shortcut to work, but it jumps around a bit. This is my biggest gripe with this (at least so far). But doing line-work that's supposed to look like ink, I don't really change the brush size that often, I do that a lot more when painting.

Of course I can't say if this is something that will be used in the long run, and I definitely need to test this on some proper artwork before I can sing it's praises. But these are my "right out of the box"-experiences :)
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Hey Catherine, thanks for reviewing Hej Stylus! Your comments are noted and I'll put it on the future features list. I also see what I can do about a demo. @Bridgette: I can give you a refund if you don't like it. ;) Cheers, Eilert
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Cathrine Helle

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I think that's wise, I think more people would consider your program if they had a chance to test it first :) And this is something we've all missed, so I'm really looking forward to using this in future artwork. Good job - and thank you! :)
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I know - but I liked the idea of making this public as soon as possible. Niceties vs. Necessaries - some fancy things had to fall- but they aren't off the table. Hej Stylus! is 1 day out now. I'm looking forward hearing your feedback. Everybody approaches his/her work differently - share your thoughts - or drop me a line. Cheers, E
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Hej Stylus! works pretty amazing i must say. It might not have all the settings as lazy nitsumi, but after testing it, i must say, that this is the holy grail for all mac photoshop illustrators!
i am SUPERHAPPY: Eilert made my day.
And the pricing for the brushes on top are supercool: i just bought them all:)
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A stroke stabilizer is built into just about any other bitmap drawing and painting software I am aware of:
- Krita
- Sai
- ClipStudio
- Photoline
- OpenToonz
- AZDrawing
- MyPaint
- Gimp
- AD Sketch

And so on. Photoshop is most conspicuously missing in this list, and users have been asking for years and years for such as feature.

Well, there are two plugins now that "fix" this. But it should really be part of Photoshop's brush engine.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Brush stroke smoothing.

It would be nice to have a "Smoothing" option to auto-correct brush strokes. I use the Lazy Nezumi extension, but it's only for PC and I primarily use Mac. Manga Studio has smoothing and think it would be a great feature for Photoshop. Thanks. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Stabilizer or Fade out Tool would be extreamely helpful.

A stabilizer? or a Fade out tool? Gimp has this tool where no matter how crazy you draw your lines they always "fade out" or have resistance so the lines wont look super scribbly and creates nice smooth line. I would LOVE for that too to be in photoshop. If it's not already. Paint tool sai has something similar where it creates nice smooth lines especially helpful for those with unsteady hands.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Realtime Smoothing With Brush Strokes.

I notice that photoshop brush option there is smoothing, but it doesnt seem like it really even does anything noticeable. Why not make use of that option and expand it. Give the user the option to auto smooth they're strokes like you can in flash. You can make a slider that chooses how much smoothness and how little.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Brush Stabilizer.

I'd love to see a stabilizer feature for the Brush tool added. Let's make this happen for an update! Please!!!
I'm a illustrator who jumps back and forth from Photoshop and illustrator. Having a stabilizer for the brush tool would be fantastic!
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Photoshop CC now supports brush smoothing. Details here: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new.html