Lightroom: Keyboard shortcuts for Copy Metadata and Copy Settings doesn't always work

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The keyboard shortcut for Metadata > Copy Metadata doesn't always work. To reproduce:1. Select a photo and do Metadata > Copy Metadata. In the Copy Metadata dialog, select just two fields, GPS and Altitude.2. Select another photo with GPS and Altitude data.3. Type Ctrl+Shift+Alt+C followed immediately by Enter. Be sure to type Enter before the Copy Metadata dialog appears. Notice the dialog immediately disappears after appearing.4. Select another photo and do Metadata > Paste Metadata. The GPS and Altitude are not in fact pasted. Real world use-case: I was doing a large amount of copying of GPS info from photos that had it to adjacent photos that did not. Being adept at using the keyboard, I was using keyboard shortcuts. Since the Copy Metadata dialog is pretty slow to appear, I found myself typing Enter before it appeared -- wrong.

[Update: See this reply for similar symptoms with Copy Settings:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/keyboard_shortcut_for_copy_metadata_doesnt_al... ]
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled LR65: Copy metadata sometimes doesn't work.

Copy metadata sometimes doesn't work. No error, it just clears the clipboard, rather than putting the selected metadata in it.

I do a lot of stacks, and for some bloody reason, applying a metadata modification is only applied to the topmost picture of a stack, not to the entire stack. So after tagging/labelling/culling, I have to do a LOT of Ctrl+Alt+Shift+C on the topmost pictures, and then Ctrl+Alt+Shift+V on the rest in the stacks. One by bloody one.

But sometimes, the Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Cdialogue doesn't copy the selected metadata, but just clears the clipboard. As if the selected metadata was empty, but it isn't. This causes me to "miss" a couple of pictures. So after the fact I have to go through them again (as if once wasn't enough) and check them.

To repro: just go through an afternoon with me. Get a LOAD of pictures in stacks, and copy metadata from topmost pictures into underlying pictures like above. Even with ONLY "keywords" selected in the copy metadata dialogue, the clipboard will sometimes end up empty after it. And yes of course those pictures do have keywords. ALL my pictures have keywords, so copying them and ending up with an empty clipboard is (should be) impossible. The problem seems to happen more oftenly when I'm working particularly quickly. So do it like Ctrl+Alt+Shift+C and *immediately* hit Enter, even before the dialogue shows up. This'll make is easier to trigger the problem I'm sure.

Especially after the memory leak bug that's still in Lightroom, this problem will get worse, as Lightroom gets slower and slower.

This is on Lightroom 6.5.1 on Windows 10.
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When you type Ctrl+Shift+Alt+C, make sure the copy window fully appears before typing Enter.  I found that if you type Enter too quickly, the values won't get properly copied to the metadata clipboard.
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A tip for making the copy-paste a little more efficient:  If you shift-click on the stack badge in the upper-left corner of a thumbnail, it will expand with all the pics in the stack already selected.  Then you can do a single paste to all of them.
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You might consider the Syncomatic plugin, which will copy metadata from the top of stack down the other pics in the stack.   You can do a whole batch of stacks at one. The plugin and its author have excellent reputations.
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I found that if you type Enter too quickly, the values won't get properly copied to the metadata clipboard.
Exactly, that's the bug. Adobe just needs to fix it. There's no reason why said window must be fully drawn before values can get copied. This smells like a classic example of not dividing functionality from presentation properly, a all-too-common mistake in the world of software development.

A tip for making the copy-paste a little more efficient:  If you shift-click on the stack badge in the upper-left corner of a thumbnail, it will expand with all the pics in the stack already selected.  Then you can do a single paste to all of them.
I don't know how else I would do it. But I still have to do the copy-paste for each stack one by one.

You might consider the Syncomatic plugin,
Oh please stop it already. The Syncomatic plugin, every bloody time! Sorry but it looks as though it gets proposed as a "fix" every time I report a bug. Because yes, this is a bug I'm reporting.

Adding a plugin doesn't fix this bug at all.
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This forum is not just for reporting bugs.  You may not be interested in using a plugin, but many people come to these forums looking for help in making LR work more efficiently for them.   Needing to get work done now, they find workarounds better than the status quo.  And the status quo for this bug is that I reported it three years ago and it hasn't been fixed.
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So, Adobe, please enlighten us with a timeframe for a fix.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled copy not copying.

Since Classic CC was released, the copy settings command (ctrl/cmd-shift-c) doesn't always work, despite the pop-up window appearing asking which settings need be copied. The main culprit that doesn't get copied most of the time is Exposure.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled copy not copying (reply, merging).

Thanks, the problem is intermittent...It mostly copies just fine, but every once in a while it acts like its copied, but doesn't. Like, the pop-up window shows up with my develop settings 'ticked', but upon pasting these settings, it becomes evident that they were never copied to begin with. Maybe the problem is pasting. 

I'm using the shortcuts build into my mouse buttons on a Logitech Master MX mouse.

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: copy not copying.
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Make sure the Copy Settings window fully appears before typing Return.   

This bug has been outstanding for 4 years, so it's unlikely to get fixed now that Adobe has communicated that they will be focusing their LR 7 efforts on editing and performance.
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Adobe had had 4 years to fix this, which not a reason to let it slip. It's all the more reason to get it fixed! Four bloody years! They should be ashamed.
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Any way we can get Adobe to reply here? This is a BUG and needs a fix. However more evident can we be?
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This forum is the official way to file bug reports.  Adobe does generally read everything here but they only reply to some of the posts.  The number of votes on a bug report or feature request, along with details that people post about how the bug/feature affects their work, does influence their prioritization, though it's not determinative.  

Unfortunately, this bug report only has 3 votes.   And knowing a fair bit about LR internals after years of writing plugins, I'm guessing this bug is caused by an obscure subtlety in how LR handles concurrency in its user interface: The command is processing the "OK" invoked by hitting return before the concurrent retrieval of all the settings from the photo has completed.

I wonder how many engineers are left on the team who are expert in those subtleties.  Based on the spate of recent bugs in LR 7 regarding concurrent processing (stalled photo merges, stalled address lookups, etc.) I'm guessing that expertise is stretched pretty thin (and likely has been for a while).
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Plus it should be fixed in LR6. Otherwise Adobe and I are going to have the same fight as we had a few years back when LR6 was announced and they downright refused to fix any real and acknowledged bugs in LR5.
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I don't disagree -- I was just providing more observations of how Adobe tends to prioritize bug fixes.