Photoshop: Adjustable grid size for the warp tool

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Posted 8 years ago

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George Valkhoun

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So much pseudo intelectualizing here. It's pathetic. So many features have been added over the years and you're telling us now that adding a simple option that allows us to add more columns and rows to the warp tool grid is somehow beyond Adobe's scope. That it somehow takes up too much resources and it's not something people want? That must be the biggest joke of all time in the history of photoshop. There must be some other reason, political or god knows what. Otherwise it just makes Adobe look like a pack of pathetic bumbling ogres.
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Do you really think that it makes no noticeable difference whether an operation can operate on the basis of a fixed number of parameters or on the basis of a varying (and potentially much huger) number of parameters? 

I would assume that the issue is naturally not beyond the Photoshop programmers’ capabilities but the demand does not not seem overwhelming at current.
I suppose 39 votes is not bad on this Forum but still a ways off from impressive.  
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Sometimes users don't know they need a tool until they're able to actually use it... 
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Hey anyone Adobe - any thoughts on this? I was just playing around with PhotoLine's distort with arrows feature and its a very similar to my idea of having a way to transform an image using Bezier path tools. It's not done very well in PhotoLine (or else I'd just use that for warping) but if you could have a function like Liquify but instead use Bezier curves to transform an image that would be really powerful. Also having the save/load mesh capability would be essential to recreate the transformations. Again Puppet Warp has the tiniest idea of this but its done so poorly and it is seemingly a forgotten tool at this point. I am looking at this from an architectural image point of view - to make interiors look less distorted from wide angle images. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Please add customizable number of control points to Transform Warp.

Yes the request was made 6 years ago, multiple threads were combined into this one.
Not one response from an Adobe representative.
I'd be happy to share any thoughts if it helps get this some attention. Basically transform warp needs a customizable number of control points. Even better would be the ability to warp those points using Bezier curves like the Pen tool.

Photoshop: Adjustable grid size for the warp tool

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/it_would_be_cool_the_have_an_adjustable_grid_...

Note: This conversation was created from a reply on: Photoshop CC 2018: Healing and Spot Healing Brush Lag.
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Affinity has a great implementation of the Warp tool if the folks at Adobe are looking for a little inspiration...
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I'll take a look at Affinity, if it works it's not that expensive. Better than waiting for a solution from Adobe that may never come.
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I cannot figure out how to transform in Affinity - any tips? From what I've found so far you can only transform the corners, even less control than PS.
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it works a little differently... try switching between the source/destination dropdown.

and to add nodes, double-click on the image where you want a new one.
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Maybe there are some copyright or licensing  issues that prevent adobe from implementing this request.

It's been a oft requested feature since Warp appeared in photoshop cs2 (2005), so surely something more than engineering is at issue here.
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Yes, and updated warp tool with more editing points would be sooooo great! I run into too many instances where I open the warp tool too warp something, but I just can't warp the spot I want moved. 

Thanks eartho - I'll have to try Affinity! 
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SInce I posted this in the wrong thread, just following a connection from an email, here it is where it's meant to be:

Yes, this has been asked for for years and years now. Adobe has given us multiple ways to warp, but they're scattered about and finding just the right one that's quick and efficient for the need hasn't always been easy. Today, even remembering the multiple ways for transforming/warping has become difficult.

Think about it. No central location for access to : Adaptive Wide Angle, Perspective Warp, Puppet Warp, Warp, Transform, Free Transform, Perspective Crop, and then there's poor Vanishing Point way out in the hinterlands. And Liquify is yet another form of warping/transforming. Probably the only warp/transform tool that's in the obvious place for it is Text Warp. I think for most of us, all those warps and transformations also translates to a lot of confusion, while the basic Warp doesn't confuse anyone—it just is SO limited.

This is  a reason Warp needs to be more flexible. It's simple, stable, and if it had more anchors (in fact, were more like Gradient Mesh in AI, but for shape) it would be easy to locate, easy to use, and an easy choice to make for many common needs.
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Cristen nailed it - Perfectly stated, all of it, exactly what is needed. 
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Glad this has its own thread. I too have wondered why warp and liquify both are so limited, and I would certainly vote for this as a feature request, and it would benefit me far and above the 3D stuff, for example, which I never use in PS.
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Yes I agree with all the post here and also
I would like to mention the new possibility I would have love to have in PS: Since I work on grey level images... and that the lines of the warp tools is grey too... is is almost impossible to see these lines on my image. So it would be great to have the choice of the color used by the warp tool. It is the same problem with the puppet tool that use only grey lines also. Thanks and have a nice day. JM Hermel.
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There's a workaround. Make your own vector grid in Illustrator with however many subdivisions you want and then place it into the PS doc, convert the placed vector smart object to a smart object (yes, sounds redundant), and then you should be able to warp it.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop Transform Wrap needs overhauled to allow for precise adjustments.

Transform Wrap fails miserably. Go back to 1995 and install Kai's power tools to learn how this should perform. Needs independent bezoid points that can be selected individually or with others so that multiple adjustments can be made simultaneously. Also need to be able to move a point and maintain aspect ratio without having to drag new guides. And, why do only the corner points show x and y changes? Sad.
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Seriously would love this feature as well. Please please please borrow/implement more stuff seen in video/vfx applications .

The grid/spline warping in Nuke linked earlier in this thread is a great example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthlyRNXbkU This function would speed up the workflows of so many people.

HSL curves, qualifiers/selections like DaVinci Resolve is another. As well as how these applications work in complete floating point math, so even if you "clipped" the highlights with one adjustment layer, a subsequent layer can be used to recover them back. Also the ability to be compatible with OFX layers/plugins/tools.
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Official Response
This feature has been implemented in Photoshop 2020 (version 21.0). You can have a grid with any number of grid points, and you can place custom grid points anywhere. You can also multi-select grid points and transform them together.

Enjoy!
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Can't wait to try it. Is there a guide somewhere? I see the Bezier curve controls, which is a welcome surprise, but how do you multi select grid points?
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Yeah! It's a little late for the project I was working on 2 years ago, but, hey, I'm not gonna bitch. Bring it on.
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If you hold shift, you can click/drag to select nodes and if you want to create more nodes/lines, just hold down alt/opt. 
Here's the new help entry:
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/warp-images-shapes-paths.html
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Unfortunately the new Warp features seem to be implemented in a somewhat nonsensical fashion; apparently the angle of the handles of non-corner-points snaps to 90 ̊ when any one of a point’s handles is moved. 
This seems to completely miss the point for what the Warp should be able to achieve with regard to emulating the distortions of photographed surfaces (edit: especially when compared to Illustrator’s Envelope Distort). 
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Yes, Christoph, ideally the mesh would respond identically to a bezier path being manipulated with the pen tool. Corner nodes should be convertible to rounded and vice versa.
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It only took 8 years, but I just want to say, thank you Adobe – at last!
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It's no good guys, for some reason they have just implemented teh warp tool from illustrator rather than improve the transform warp tool in photoshop. You will notice that you cannot adjust points on the outer edges without them spinning and warping areas you don't want to warp. They have added four bezier points instead of two which creates a warp in all directions instead of being able to control the shape as previous.
They have also gotten rid of the guide lines on the default mode which are essential to a standard warp - if you want guide, you get extra points which you didn't ask for.

I don't know how to make it appear as legacy mode, but I am using 2018 until they fix it.
Once again Adobe throws out the old, but this time implements old tech (illustrator warp) to solve a problem which has been clearly documented and plenty of forward thinking posts to give advice of what is useful for the people who actually use this program.

Thanks for nothing photoshop team, for getting my hopes up that you listened to anyone in the forums at all.
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Sigh. Now I can't wait not to use it!