Photoshop: Adjustable grid size for the warp tool

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Agreed, I'd love to be able to choose the number of subdivisions in the Warp command, that would make that tool much more useful and versatile. I think even Illustrator can do it.
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i want to choose how many subdivisions the grid in the warp tool has and then be able to move whole horizontal/vertical lines to transform

kinda like in mari.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: moveable subdivisions within warp tool.
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and i'd like to be able to brush in areas to freeze - or add grid warping to liquify - even better.
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I'm in. I often wish there was just one more set of grids added to the Warp Tool to make it more flexible.
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There is a work around this. Just select a smaller area in you image and work in steps instead. The selection you've made will still only have the warp tool's 9 areas but by selecting only a small area of your image you can pretty much place the grid/points where you want them and warp the image step by step. Not optimal but it works.
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what I think is needed is for an option in Liquify to use a Bezier curves (like paths) adjustment. So we can can transform objects and areas a bit more smoothly than the push/pull of Liquify. And you'll be able to go back and forth between these 2 methods. then by doing this in the Liquify dialogue you have access to freeze and thaw brushes so selective areas can be protected at will. and in the end you can save a mesh and load it onto something else like a layer mask. By adding transform to Liquify and giving a more dense transform grid the user would have a really powerful image transformation tool.

Maybe I should make this a new topic and flesh it out more.
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anyone tried or heard of this plugin?
I desperately need a better warp solution than what CS6 offers and found this:
HSC edit/Grids
http://www.humansoftware.biz/pages120...

Doesn't look that polished but it seems to offer warping with a denser grid. I contacted them about a trial, waiting to hear back.

it even says you can turn your grid into Bezier curves which is what I'm looking for.

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now that PS is a rolling updated subscription product - I want to ask - any update or timeline on finally improving the warp tool in free transform? By adding many more intersection lines (that the user can specify) or even better to have really precise control with bezier curves. I've repeatedly requested adding the bezier curves functionality to the liquify plug-in. That would be really helpful for real world tasks.
(please don't suggest puppet warp - it doesn't really work)
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Well, I certainly would appreciate improvements for Warp, but the statement
»puppet warp - it doesn't really work«
does seem incorrect.
Puppet Warp does work, not as you would like it to it seems, but nonetheless ...
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Puppet warp and liquify are no alternative to the warp tool.
Because the warp tool works with curves, you can easily create a page curl effect and use it on smart objects as well.
Puppet warp however uses polygons and behaves completely different, especially when you drag edges to the wrong direction. And liquify works on a pixel basis and softens and smears the picture.

Adding an option to add more points to the warp grid would be easy to do. I personally don't understand why nobody thought of this or implemented this years ago and we still have to stick with workarounds.
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»Adding an option to add more points to the warp grid would be easy to do.«
And you base that statement on what?

»I personally don't understand why nobody thought of this or implemented this years ago and we still have to stick with workarounds.«
People have thought of this (as this thread seems to proof).
Why it has not been implemented only people who have worked for Adobe could say for sure, I guess, but they may not be at liberty to.
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yes it is very frustrating why the warp tool hasn't been improved - especially since we are paying for rolling updates now. Christoph - I'm curious about your resistance to this topic? Maybe you have no need for this type of feature improvement for others it could be something used everyday on every image. As we have discussed - PW and Liquify are not able to manipulate images in the same way as Warp. Warp has very little controls available to it compared to PW and liquify. More control points, bezier controls and save/load mesh.
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»Christoph - I'm curious about your resistance to this topic?«
It’s not just contrariness on my side, though there may be some of that, too.
Also I can be something of a fusspot, I guess, so wrong or uninformed statements can irk me.

I don’t deny that the Warp functionality could stand improvements (along the lines of Illustrator’s envelope Distort) but I have the feeling that sometimes some people misjudge their insight into the issue.

Yes, many feature requests and this one in particular would be beneficial, but sometimes
• the number of beneficiaries is small and
• the necessary resources to realize a feature are considerable
In my opinion I and most of the other users posting here very likely are in no position to accurately judge how well necessary effort and potential pay-off for this feature would correspond.
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I think if you make photoshop as good as possible the payoff may not be immediately felt but it will have payoff in the long term. Adobe make so much money. they shoud do whatever it takes to make the software as good as possible. Sometimes see creating the tool itself as an art, and as in art the rewards can come in terms of appreciation of  the overall name of the artist and attention that it brings. TO say we cant develop this because it doesnt immediately reward the investment is seeing photosip solely as a business. If there is no real care for those using it, i feel that is very, very sad. If you look at the ancient acheivements of the world - creating the great monuments, churches, for example, the cost and return was a very small part of the creator's inspiration. Be a little deeper, please. 
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"Also I can be something of a fusspot, I guess, so wrong or uninformed statements can irk me. "
What is uninformed about any of the requests on this topic? That PW is insignificant in dealing with the types of issues outlined here? PW has its uses (from what I've heard - but not in my images) but cannot correct volume anamorphosis which the requested improvements to the warp tool could help fix.

As a long time PS user I know it takes forever for some features to come out but I'm not impressed when most recent additions are Behance, ipad, type and 3D stuff.
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»What is uninformed about any of the requests on this topic?«
To make it clear: I am not opposed to the feature being requested and would consider it an improvement, too, but:

The statement
»please don't suggest puppet warp - it doesn't really work«
is in my opinion not wholly technically correct or at least in need of further qualification.
Admittedly one could argue that the context is provided in the lines leading up to it and me focusing on the one sentence is nitpicking ...

The statement
»Adding an option to add more points to the warp grid would be easy to do.«
makes me wonder how the poster can judge the programming effort such a feature would necessitate.
Are they programmers? Have they worked on applications of a complexity similar to Photoshop’s?
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its about time that some adobe staff will respond this thread and take this initiation to production ASAP!
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Yes I would love to hear any feedback from the PS team about this - if it is even being considered.
The current implementation of warp is very limited. As an architectural photographer - its something I have to deal with all of the time.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Increase the number of handles/control points and improve precision in....

Warp (> Edit > Transform > Warp) from what I can find out seems to only support a standard 3 x 3 grid with a fixed quantity of control points/ handles. I'd like to suggest the ability to add further points/ handles & a customisable quantity of grid squares or even presets of say 4x4, 5x5 etc to improve accuracy under certain conditions. Puppet Warp isnt available on a Smart object after using the "Edit > Transform> Distort command first", otherwise that might have been an option.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Transform - warp tool - more control please..

Hey there, something i would really love to have an update on is the free transform tool on the warp optrion. It splits it up into a grid which you can push and pull to get a great result most times. But what would be great is if you could have the option to move individual points in tandem - ie. the object is split into a grid of 9 boxes, 2 vertical lines and 2 horizontal; if you could grab all the points on one of the vertical axis and drag them up at the same time or drag them sideways at the same time.
The other thing is there is no option to drag just one point on an exact vertical or horizontal like any other tool where you hold shift down to drag in a straight line. If these things were made possible, it would really save me alot of time.
Would anyone else find these changes useful?
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Yes, I want to change the number of divisions of the grid please. To be honest, I'm a bit shocked that you can't.
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Yes, YES, YES i wish this also.
Please make this. Thanks
Wolfgang
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Yes, please more grids! And let us choose different interpolations algorithms! Warp does not respect Photoshop`s interpolation presets nor does it have an option in the options bar.
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Adobe - its been a few years since this request has been brought up - any feedback from you?
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Just hit the same road block on a project that others have been describing here for years.  Please add this feature!  It would make fast work of UV mapping work for us 3D artists that use PSD texture files.
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Photoline has had a really nice non-destructive warp (it is called distort in PL) for years, which allows for any number of  columns and rows. Even includes a lighting effect.

Multiple distortions and warps can even be stacked, if required.
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this Photoline - do you use it along with PS? I'm just looking for more warping options to correct wide angle lens distortions.
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I would love Adobe to comment on this and implement it. Mari has an excellent warp tool which allows you to do this - I wish photoshop had the same options! 
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Seriously - why do little workflow improvements like this get overlooked while they are messing around with the UI for the millionth time? This one or add a custom color to a path or a way to see which colors have been adjusted in the hue/sat dropdown? 
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Here's Nuke's highly flexible and customiseable grid warp in action; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthlyRNXbkU

I'd love to see something similar in pshop that can be used along with smart layers.
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Thats why I suggested here literally years ago to add a warp tool to the liquify dialogue so you can move pixels like painting as well as shifting pixels more fluidly like the warp grid lines. Even if they added more grid lines to warp - there is no mesh feature - so adding warp to liquify would be really helpful for that reason alone.
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I bet they don't know how to do that ;)
Proove me wrong Adobe!
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Mariusz Janecki: Just for curious... What is more important for you. Fixing bugs and workflow breaks or new features? :-)
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Hi sorry I didn't find this group earlier, I started another one in the same line "
How to Modify grid/net/web in transformation in number of lines and color ?"
here is what I wrote there:

Hi, I am using photoshop CS5. I am working with electron microscopy images that are in gray "color" only. I need to use the deformation tools and free transformation. In free transformation a selection separating the image in 9 squares with 2 horizontal and 2 vertical lines.

1- I would love to know how to increase the numbers of these h & v lines since I need to apply very subtle warping deformation to my images

2- Since my images are grey and the line of the selection too... I would also love to know how to change the color of these lines

Thank you so much

then Dave answered:

Do you mean the grid?

If so, you can set it in Preferences  - Guides, Grids and Slices where you choose divisions, subdivisions and colour.

This screenshot is CS6 , the oldest version I have installed, but the options are the same

 

Dave

I precised my point:

Thanks for your interest

Sorry I was not clear, I wrote grid/net/web trying to describe le colors of the lines that border the 9 squares that appears when you go Ctrl+T (transformation) then click on the icon that allows switchs between free transform and deform:

 

those lines are grey and I cannot see them on the image I work with. Is there a way to change this parameter of color somewhere from gray to say red ?

Thanks a lot

JM Hermel

Dave replied

Hi

No, at present the Warp grid is limited to 9 squares and the grid is fixed at light grey / dark grey depending on the content behind it.

 

There is an old and ongoing feature request for more squares here, you may wish to add your comments:

Photoshop: Adjustable grid size for the warp tool | Photoshop Family Customer Community

 

Dave


Hi Dave thanks a lot for your time and expertise, too bad for me thought. It is strange that you can parameter all grids, lines etc and not this one. I guess it is the same problem with de puppet tool the lines are also light gray by default and not parametrable ? Well photoshop is alike us almost perfect but perfectible. Thanks anyway.

JM Hermel


Well every thing is said already above, the improvement of this tool has been called for years now. May be in a couple of version we will see this improvement coming. Have a nice one.

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Well, the implementation of the warp/distort and liquify tools in PhotoLine might serve as an example: the warp tool allows for a custom warp grid by simply clicking on the edges.

Distortions can be stacked using grouping, and the liquify function is implemented as a non-destructive layer, and any number of liquify layers can be stacked. Even the resolution can be changed independently for each liquify layer.

And liquify layers may be cloned/instanced for re-use throughout the layer stack: update the original liquify layer, and the clones update in realtime.

Very flexible. It would be nice if Photoshop's distort/warping and liquify tools would offer similar options.