Photoshop: Image Hose - Extend Clone Stamp tool

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Nearly all other serious digital paint programs have some kind of randomized image "stamp" feature (Painter calls it Image Hose). This is seriously lacking in Photoshop. I can see a very sooth implementation by extending the Clone Stamp tool. You already have multiple clone sources - in its simplest implementation, it should be fairly straightforward to allow the user to define multiple clone sources and then randomize which one is being used each time the brush is "stamped" onto the layer. Add angle and size jitter and other randomization features like we find in the brushes palette and we're off to the races.

A better user experience would be to define "stamp sets". This would require a new palette which would open into a kind of "tree view". For each Stamp Set you could add multiple pixel-based images, similar to the way you define brush presets. Their thumbnails would then be visible, indented under the Stamp Set in the "tree view".

When a particular Stamp Set is selected, you have your jitter controls and other behavioural controls which get saved with that stamp set. Stamp sets can be saved like Brushes and other Preset Manager items. You could even offer a nice automation tool for importing a sequence of PSDs into a single stamp set.

You could extend this even further by exposing the same Layer Effects to your Stamp Sets. Unlike a layer effect, which applies, for example, a Drop Shadow to all the pixels of the layer at once; the Stamp Set effects would apply the effect(s) to each instance of a stamp. As an example, the difference would be that if you apply a drop shadow to your Stamp Set, if you stamped one item over top of another, its drop shadow would overlap the previous item, whereas if you just applied the Drop Shadow to the entire layer, there would be no "depth" between two "stamp" instances on the same layer.

Note that I'm not suggesting that each instance of a stamp would be an editable object or a smart object instance. Just like when you use the Brush tool, the results are "merged" into the active layer's pixels more-or-less instantly (or at least, once the mouse button is released to terminate the brush stroke).
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Sounds kinda like Content-Aware Fill with some manual controls...
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Considering the time and effort Adobe employees invest in this and the u2u-Fora I would hope your theory does not apply here.
But whatever they take away from these Fora and however they may try to incorporate users’ input the final decisions about the allocation of resources and release dates will probably be subject to considerations that might seem peculiar to us.
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This subject of Image Hose has been a peeve of mine since I first saw it in Painter, then Paint Shop Pro, and Gimp (opensource). I was fully expecting to see it show up in my favorite, Photoshop. Adobe still hasn't added this super feature. Along with them dumping the Acrobat suite recently and distiller a few years ago...where it was once included in the Master Collection. Even add it as a filter widget would be workable if they didn't want to add it to the cloning tool set.
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It should be more like a brush, but with RGB color png image as base...
It would make everything much easier for photomanipulation (digital art in general) and graphic design as well.
I`m guessing it would also open a market for custom brushes-clipart sets (just like for mock-ups, custom shapes and brushes etc. and stock images).
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Actually, you should be able to pick up any selection on the canvas to use as a temporary brush. Just like Clone Stamp. Make a selction, hit a button and paint with it like a brush. Then apply the usual brush parameters in the brush panel if desired. Sounds like a no-brainer, no?
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Totally. The key is that, unlike the current Brushes, which are only greyscale, this brush would "stamp" the full RGB pixel information to the canvas, similarly to how the Clone tool currently works. I think, though, that the real value (as we have seen in other software packages that do this) is when you can create a multi-brush "sheet", where you can define multiple "stamps" and then every time the image is stamped down, it selects from one of those multiple "stamps".

Imagine a "sheet" of leaves - instead of just stamping multiple copies of the same leaf, you have defined a "set" of multiple leaves. As you draw, a different leaf is selected each time, so you get a more "natural" collection of leaves on your canvas.
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Full color picture brush support that enables scattering of several pictures in the style of Paint Shop Pro's picture tube tool.
Together with the current features of the photoshop brush engine this could be a really powerful tool for painting vegetation for example. A single one color brush only goes so far, regardless of all the currently available brush dynamics.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Full color picture brush support.
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Right on - that's exactly what I'm talking about (and precisely the application I had in mind). As far as speedpainting techniques, image hose is a powerful tool like no other.

And believe me, I've tried to replicate this behaviour using scripting and it's not possible unfortunately. Needs to be coded into the app, or via a plugin.
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+1 !!!!!

This is a no-brainer for greatly increasing the power of Photoshop. Just think of all the brush collections that could be designed for this. Sure you can use Painter or Gimp but we want it in Photoshop where all our other stuff is and where there is already a wealth of brushes and patterns and so on available online. And while they are at it they should provide some actual good and useful patterns, shapes, styles etc. in PS and eliminate the crap.
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It shouldn't be an extension to the clone tool. Basically you just need to add two new capabilities to the existing brush tool: the ability to use a collection of "brush tip shapes" on one brush and those "shapes" should actually be allowed to be full color images with transparency. As long as there are a few options on how the brush tips are selected (random, sequential, pressure...) that should be everything you need.

Another cool addition would be a tube brush like Painter has that stretches an image along a stroke, but I don't think that is as important.
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I was hoping someone would point out that it should be a type of brush, not part of the clone tool. :) I actually thought this existed in photoshop - until I tried to make one.
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See my comment below on why it's probably a better match to the Clone tool, but you're right - it FEELS like it should just be a Brush option. In fact, it probably merits its own tool in the toolbox altogether. Seriously, does anyone use the History Paintbrush?? And yet it gets its own tool...

Please Tweet and otherwise share this whole thread to your social network so it can get some votes. That's the only way it will get on Adobe's radar...
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@iomacar right on, thanks for the support. Make sure you promote this thread to your social network! Maybe something will eventually get done.

I tend to agree with you that it could easily fit within just the regular Brushes tool. Except that you will need some way to select multiple brush tips - but then again, if you just SHIFT-click or CTRL-click the brush tips and create a "set", or if they provide a way to organize Brush Tips into folders or sets within the Brushes Manager, that would do the trick.
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Except for the fact that Brushes are monochromatic by design. This is a really important point. For an Image Hose to work, it really needs to be RGBa, whereas Brush Tips are designed to be painted in the colour selected in the Foreground Colour swatch.

From a UI perspective, the Clone Tool is still the closest to the feature set we're looking for because it is a brush that copies full-colour pixel data onto the canvas.

Besides, think of the additional possibilities for randomization if you have a library of Image Hose "stamps" which you can then apply using a Brush! You get the random selection of image stamp pixels PLUS when it gets applied it gets filtered through a Brush preset, with all the randomization that's possible with Brushes on top of that.

Which actually makes me think that a new Brush Tip shape would need to be created that would allow the image stamp pixels to pass through unfiltered - otherwise they would always be stamped in the shape of the brush tip (imagine if you used a standard circular brush tip shape, but your image stamp shape were square - it would have its corners rounded by the roundness of the Brush Tip. Not so cool.)
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»it really needs to be RGBa«
»Full-color-brushes« would indeed be a great addition to Photoshop’s features in my opinion.
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Also, note that this post: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh... is also relevant to this discussion because it deals with revamping the way Brush Presets are saved / stored / managed.
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I just discovered that ArtRage Pro (not the iPad version, but the desktop version) has a pretty decent Image Hose implementation (I think they call it decals or stickers or something). For $60, basically the cost of a PS plugin, you get Image Hose, and a darned fine natural media drawing app that exports to PS format. Do yourself a favour! Pick it up. http://www.artrage.com/
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Feature request-Multiple tips for scatter brushes?.


Here is a simple feature request: I notice that Manga Studio 5's scatter brush allows for multiple tips, rather than one. I'd love to see this in Photoshop. For example, If I create a custom brush shape in Photoshop, I get a single image, scattered, scaled and rotated, such as a single number, or an image of a cluster of numbers. With multiple tips, one could have a brush that randomly paints from a set of numbers 0-9. More importantly, this would be great for organic shapes, like spatters, etc., adding yet another dimension of randomness. Thanks.
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I just started a project where I need to do a photo real view of a jungle and was surprised that PS doesn't have an Image Hose equivalent given that feature is what, 15 years old?
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There are Scripting possibilities which might be beneficial for such a case.
What exactly are you trying to do?
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Hi Christoph - there are no scripting capabilities that address the Image Hose use case. Sure, maybe you could create a bunch of layers, each with its own transparent image on it, then do a sort of disperse / random transform / duplicate. But that's hardly the workflow we're looking for.
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Josh - your use case is a perfect example of where such a feature could be really effective. Thanks for posting your comment!
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»Hi Christoph - there are no scripting capabilities that address the Image Hose use case.«
Certainly not perfectly but one can distribute Layers/Smart Objects along Paths for example.
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Yep, this has been around for ages. But it's kinda crappy, and I'm not even sure it will work in modern versions of Photoshop.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
PHOTOSHOP: Random (multi-tip) brush.


I would like to see a random brush added to Photoshop, a brush that lays down more than one brush tip shape in a stroke, something that lets the user choose which brush tips to include and how randomly weighted they should be.
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Brandon, it's time to come back and keep this feature request alive, by voting and promoting it to your social networks!
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I just incorporated other programs into my work flow. I will never stop using photoshop, but they are not the only game in town anymore. easier to learn something new than keep barking up this tree. sorry.
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totally. If you have other workflows you would like to share, please post back here in a comment and let us know what's working for you!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop Brushes - Corel Painter Nozzles.


Hi


I was wondering if it`s possible to improve Photoshop Brushes to be more like Corel Painter Nozzles?


Thanks

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Right on - that's exactly the topic of this post! You can help by upvoting the post, and sharing the link to your Social Networks. If it gets enough votes, Adobe might take a look. As long as this is a little "edge use case" it will get no developer love.
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I will! :)
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Why can't we just have the brushes in color and able to pick up any selection to use as a brush on the fly? That would solve it and greatly improve Photoshop. More than all the CC 2014 and 2015 updates combined.
BTW This feature already existed in Deluxe Paint in 1988.
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I agree, either adding a color option, like something you would check in the brushes panel, or having a separate color brush, with all the angle, rotate, scatter options, would pretty much solve this issue.
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Be sure to vote and promote this topic in your social networks.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Spray images.

Hi Photoshop team,
I have another request, a tool that could very helpful is a spay tool that works with images without background, such as trees, bubbles, rocks, etc... The same palette as the brushes one but with images.
Thank you.

Samy
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Hi Samy, welcome to the Image Hose thread. Please help give this request visibility in your Social Networks by sharing the link and encouraging your network to vote.

Higher votes on this topic (scroll to the top and vote, yourself!) will increase the likelihood of the Adobe Team seeing this feature request and maybe including it on their roadmap some day.

Thanks!

Tom
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This is what I am waiting for since years and years, a tool like the Painter one, why Adobe doesn't integrate it to new versions of Photoshop?
Please please please!!!!!!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please Create a Multi-Tip Brush Tool (like picture tube in paintshop, but better)....

I have been hoping for 7+ years that Photoshop would add a randomized brush tip feature. Similar to paintshop's picture tube, this new brush option would be able to solve repetitive and tedious processes, such as grass, leaves, map features like mountains, tangled hair, etc. Secondly, this would be able to create many other interesting and unique brush techniques that would normally take hours to make. The brush would work as follows: a button in the brush panel will permit a brush timeline to be created; and series of panels with a slider will replace the brush shape image and the panel window will widen to accommodate the space; images can be loaded or painted to create custom brushes. Opening a new project window when selected; a time slider will appear on the bottom so the brush tips can be compared and tweaked; within the brush panel; there are options for random and sequential actions for the brush. I believe this tool is long overdue, and will be one of the best improvements to the brush tool that can now be done.
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Would also really like this idea being implemented - an RGBa brush system in Photoshop with the ability to apply Brush Panel controls such as scatter and shape dynamics. Combined with some way to select multiple different tip presets and randomly alternate between them as you paint.

Closest thing I've found at the moment is the Deco Fill command, but it lacks the ability to sample multiple pattern presets.

I've tried doing this with scripting and pasting different images from an array of images stored in a folder and it almost broke Photoshop !
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Custom brush with multiple, alternating brush tip shapes..

     I would like the option to use several different custom brush tips within a single stroke, alternating between them all (maybe even randomly).  This would give the ability to create more realistic groupings of images.  (Fields of grass, flocks for birds, and much more randomized traditional media simulations)
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I found something similar but not yet what we wont!
it is "Corel ParticleShop" that work as plugin for PS, it still lack of multiple RGB image nozzles but some nice fisics to the brush added.

Anyone knows a better solution??
Neither with another plug in?
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Hi Emiliano, thanks for the update. Still haven't seen any movement from Adobe on this one. Maybe you could make sure you share this link with your social network and get more votes!
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bumping this thread. easy addition - please add!