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Hello! I really like the features in Lightroom and how raw files can be manipulated. Although, there are some that I personally miss, such as the ability to apply 3D LUT's and working on raw files with layer adjustments. These would very nice to see in future version of Lightroom. Thank you!
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If it be possible to add a 3d lut files in develop module of lightroom it would be amazing! I think it would broaden the possibilities of lightroom so much, and speed up photographers workflow. Lut's from Photoshop and software like 3D Lut Creator would give it so much more editing options.
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This are problems that will never get fully resolved with todays Bayer sensors because RGB filters cannot be perfectly pure. I think thats why Camera raw/ Lr saturates the raw output. So we have to thak to Adobe for the amasing Ligthroom even with its flaws. Can't whait for Lr 6!
If you are interestead, you can read more information on these sites:
http://www.vision-color.com/visionlog/ (somewere on google I found a torrent with these LUT's, so you can try them. They didn't gave me perfect result in many scens)
http://www.colorneg.com/MakeTiff/
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More and more cameras are coming out with the abiltiy to shoot in Log modes, both video and photos. I don't know, but I suspect that Lightroom is more in use by a wide spectrum of photographers and video/cinematographers, from amateur to pro, than Photoshop. As the new cameras come out (Sony alpha, Panasonic GH5, etc), don't cede the field to some rival to come along and make the intuitive interface photo editor/library application that can apply LUTs. That's what we expect Lr to do.
Come on, Adobe! This thread is THREE YEARS old!
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Can you say more about which LUTs you'd like to apply? Are they LUTs that convert the S-Log color space into the standard Rec 709 color space, LUTs that provide creative looks, or something else? (I'm exploring whether to add the ability to apply LUTs to my Export LUT plugin.)
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By the way LUTs would not be so useful on export. They would be great inside LR. On export they are better then nothing :)
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The Export LUT plugin creates (exports) LUTs from LR develop settings and develop presets.
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If LR added a feature allowing LUTs to be applied, there's a color-space limitation that may reduce the usefulness of this feature.
Most LUTs people are interested in applying come from video color grading, and they typically operate on a different color space, most commonly Rec 709. To apply a LUT faithfully, preserving the exact color-to-color transformations, LR would need to implicitly convert a photo from LR's internal working space to Rec 709, apply the LUT, then convert back to the working space. The gamut of LR's working space is the same as ProPhoto RGB, which is significantly wider than that of Rec 709 (same as sRGB). So applying common video LUTs would necessarily narrow the gamut of many photos, especially raw photos.
This probably isn't an issue for people who want to use LR to process video stills or photos taken of the video scene to preview color grading of their video, since the video will be delivered in Rec 709. But it could be a noticeable limitation on those who want to apply video LUTs to their raw photos to get similar creative looks while preserving the wider gamut.
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My usage would be limited, but I have been in the situation, and have noticed peers in the industry have the need to precisely match stills to video for marketing/previs needs, and it follows that the stills shooter should be following the lead of the DIT in terms of grading, not the other way around. Being able to start with he same LUT seems like the most logical workflow for this.
LUTs also provide a more intricate color-grading profile than Lightroom allows sometimes... this particularly bugs me. Giving a more complex grading structure in Lightroom would solve a lot of this. Split toning allows for very basic looks, where a mid-tone option, or a color gradient option (in brush form as well!) would significantly increase the creative control of stylized shots without the need for complex files in photoshop.
Many of us end up having to degrade the color space in some way for end use of the files anyway.
Does that help?
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LUTs are not all that different in concept than Lightroom presets. They are just a standard that can be used to get the same results across multiple applications and there are many resources for where to get them because they can be made in many ways.
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Many color adjustments you make in LR Develop will not change the gamut.
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I work on motorsports events, I have to work fast, to make and edit my pictures, I have to share my work with differents collegues (agency, customers..etc..) , so I use mainly Lightroom. And we need to work with the same standards.
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Because rebuilding Lightroom app with my desired presets is crashing the app.
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Unfortunately, there are two problems standing in the way:
1. You need to create the LUT profile in Photoshop / ACR, not LR.
2. ACR doesn't let you specify Rec 709 as the color space of the LUT. Rec 709 is the most common color space of LUTs used in video editing. When people say they "want to use LUTs", they're typically referring to all the widely used Rec 709 video-editing LUTs.
The former is an inconvenience, the latter is a roadblock. Please add your me-too vote to this feature request:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/camera-raw-add-rec-709-to-lut-color-spaces-in...
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Adobe has documented the format of .cubes loaded into the New Profile window of Camera Raw, but they haven't documented the format of the LUT as it is actually stored in the .xmp file containing the enhanced profile. It is this latter format that's needed for plugins to be able to construct LUT-containing enhanced profiles from LUTs in color spaces like Rec 709 that Adobe has chosen not to provide. See the discussion in the other topic for more details:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/camera-raw-and-lightroom-document-the-format-...
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https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/id_love_to_get_the_ability_to_use_3d_luts_in_...
However, until Adobe fixes the omission of the Rec 709 color space, you might still have to use the Apply LUT plugin to use the most popular video color-grading LUTs.
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