Photoshop: Request for locking JPEG Options panel

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I request a lock for the JPEG Options panel!

Currently the jpeg options displays a mind of it's own, changing quality 1-12, compression style between 3 types, and progressive scan number between 3 choices between saves. Thus even when correct, three parameters need to be visually checked for each save. To save this work, the panel should 1. LOCK and 2. DISPLAY CLEARLY as locked at a glance.

Repetitive busy work requires tools that maintain settings, working the JPEG Options is particularly stressful because a wrong setting can introduce unwanted destructive compression.
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I agree, but a negative for doing that everywhere could be that when you lose or have to "trash" your preferences you will lose a lot more settings (although many things have their own settings file). This one does seem important enough, although I never use it.

Luckily there is a workaround using an action. If you activate the dialog icon on the Save step, it will reopen the dialog with your recorded settings.


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Thanks sincerely. I must note; I don't suggest anything be done "everywhere" that is over complicating my concern to include more considerations.

And it's not a preference stored in settings, it's a request for an optionally set user lock, for a panel that should just stay set by itself (honestly I would like to know why it does not). Think of it problem-first: the JPEG Options panel changes itself, why? I want to slap the hand of the elve inside the machine! And it doesn't just intelligently default to some logical baseline, it changes one of parameters at (what seems) random, throwing a curve whenever it wishes. A fast keyboard-only worker must be very careful to not accept a changed compression in a flurry of keystrokes, so must expend costly attention where it should not have to expended.

An action is not a proper & full workaround for this, you would need 12 (compression quality) x3 (compression types) x3 (scan num) or about 100 actions to cover the full set of options unless you interrupt the dialog which is the original issue all over again. And even if you created just 2-3 actions for the most used setups you would have more complication. You really want to SEE the settings and simply ACCEPT them, thus assuring the work.

Unless the panel can be made to obey, a simple lock for JPEG options panel would do this most elegantly. The JPEG Options panel is instigated, you do effortless 1/2 sec visually check for the lock, you press enter, the end. Next file.

P.S. This is a feature request to deal with a bug in the software, not a solution request. I was told we post feature requests here.
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I mean, of course it would be great if every little thing had a checkbox for "Remember Settings," if that is what you mean by "Lock" (or do it automatically and have a Reset), but of course everyone wants it for a different thing, so you would get many settings files, or larger ones that may corrupt.
So maybe another negative is that PS seems to corrupt their preferences so often for some reason -- first thing they advise is often to trash the main Prefs file. It does not give much confidence in how they are able to save settings.
With actions this info will stay safe inside of them (if you can keep your actions safe, which is another complication).

I first thought it was unfair of you to compare to "100 actions," because if you would have user presets in the Jpg dialog, you would have to change them too, which would take longer. But if you mean you need a certain setting that is different for each job, and you just want that specific one to stick, then I understand the problem and it is a hassle indeed.

If possible, another workaround might be to batch convert, either using a Save as... action, or doing it once with the Image Processor script -- AFAIK it will then repeat the same thing to the end (it's been a while, so forgot what exactly it would remember).
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Just noticed the dialog has a Reset if you hold Alt/Option. This kinda suggests it should indeed remember its last settings, because now it seems to be resetting itself to its defaults, which feels like a bug...
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Thanks again! A pleasure discussing this tedious oddball topic with you. ;)

I don't agree this includes a "settings files" issue; whereby it is subject to loss as is a toolbar or menu settings file that loads on opening the software. A lock in this case is just to lock the panel during a work session, not across shutdowns and reboots. And in fact being changeable during the "locked" work session is important for flexibility, one file may require different compression for some technical reason. Unlike my workplace or toolbar settings prefs file (from which I grabbed my banana avatar icon via the Photoshop Easter egg), if I am doing 20-200 files over 2-20 hours I can happily set & lock this dialog for the first file, if I had lock.

I noted "100 actions" because there are 108 variations of the choices in the panel (12x3x3). If your action offers only one setting it's not good enough, if it just instigates the panel so all the settings are available, it's no better than no action at all.

Yes I am referring to a bunch of files all generally with the same setting of <Q12, optimized, progressive scans dimmed>. There are other complications in the workflow like navigation to various folders and renaming, that would complicate an action or make it a problem. Same with a batch, because the files are in many folders, and come from many sources. Consider 26 files: 10 from their destination folders, 10 from online screen grabs found & taken as you work, 6 from other folders. Try to organize that via batch. I am sure someone could but in a one person org where you do your own checking it's not practical to figure it out and test it.

If I could return to my case; this idea of a workaround is I think an inappropriate distraction, because this is a feature request. The problem is the panel displays a lack of discipline, the answer is a lock. I already have a workaround; when it misbehaves I keyboard around the panel to fix the settings and it is annoying. This happens so often I want a lock! The request is not a problem it's a good idea. Good ideas do not need a workaround they need adoption.

P.S. The alt/reset function is not a good thing: for an improved workflow. It is clearly a memory aid not a working tool: classic case of, you can't get there from here: It can't be operated efficiently from the keyboard. On appearance of the panel, the initial focus is the Q1-12 slider, if you first hit "alt" to get reset, then "enter" does nothing, you have to switch to the mouse. If you first tab over to "cancel" and hit "alt" to get reset, again you cannot use "enter" and all of this is too many strokes anyway. It's not a workflow aid, and the dialog is so simple it's just as fast to reset by hand, but thanks for pointing it out.
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"if it just instigates the panel so all the settings are available, it's no better than no action at all."

> Can't agree here ;)
(1) Action prevents having to select Jpeg in the dropdown, which is a huge help to me
(2) I thought you said the defaults are unusable, so if the action sets at least one of them like you often would, that too is helping.

Sorry for the workarounds. I don't like people detracting from the subject with those either, but sometimes you kinda know they want you to solve it like that. In this case I'm not sure, cause I don't know your exact kind of work and if it is an organisational thing or not. I sure follow your point to a great extent. I expected it to be friendlier too.

I'm still not sure what you mean with "Lock." Do you mean "Remember settings until next start"...? Or would you prefer to have it as a (floating) panel? (it may exist)

Experimenting a little I found a Save As... bug too in PS 2017. If it's in 2020 I'll report it.

Stay sober. Or not... ;-)
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1. I presume you mean select jpeg in save dialog, that's just tab/j. And one generally has to be free to go there anyway, to create the name and check the location.

2. Not sure what you are getting at but yeah lots of paths to an end, all offer some help, but it's not the point. I have a large repetitive workflow for which I speak that could be just a bit more mindless and simple at the fingertips. I agree some theoretical workflow might be addressed otherwise. I am trying to be clear. ;)
I'm very friendly toward you, this conversation is very good from your end, best I've had here, my kudos. And I can say 90% of the input here is horrible. It's a guesswork ramble that turns into unhelpful angry egos upset when you point out they are not helpful. So you are A+ in my book, thank you, this has been a solid exchange. Tech writing gets strict by nature, I'm a natural language disciplinarian.

By lock I mean whatever locks the parameters, call it what you like. A checkbox "save these settings."

Happy New Year. Talk more later perhaps.
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(1) Indeed and thanks. That is a shortcut I wasn't aware of.

An action on F1 would still potentially save me two shortcuts though. Of course, keyboard real estate can be scarce... I think I have a Save action under Ctrl+F2... until my work is actually worth saving...  ;-)

I just noticed that at least the dropdown choice of JPEG seems to be remembered, but with an action you can be "100%" sure.

(2) Thanks! :)

I've come here a lot in the last months (mainly the PS Problems) and it doesn't seem that bad. Just some people that tend to screw up a request with workarounds -- like me... ;)  Also angry people that sometimes didn't do basic research...

But yes, the amount of genuine problems is flabbergasting. It's like someone stole a piece of the code and they are rebuilding everything. I would be happy if it's fixed 4 months from now, but I'm not very hopeful... ;)

If they at least told us why so many bugs? Did they start coding more for GPU or multiple cores? That would at least have a pleasant outcome.

In the end I mostly agree with the dialog always remembering its settings (or at least during a session), and if the Reset button could go to a user defined setting, that would be even better. It's how I would expect it to work from the start.

It's difficult to time a request well. I'm afraid the priority in the coming months is to fix tons of bugs first (what they consider true bugs at least). You might get lucky to get a small request included, but it would need praying... ;)

If I knew 30 times more, I would apply for a job helping out here. In 2020 I'm going for knowing 2 to 5 times more, and maybe take some pictures...  It's a long road :-p

Happy New Year!
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(1) It's not an application "shortcut" so to speak, it's generic Windows keyboard navigation. Alt-Tab chooses among open applications, Tab moves the focus within the choice, including Windows Explorer file-save dialog. If the focus happens to be a dropdown list, any letter navigates to the first instance of that letter (p for psd), same letter repeated gives the 2cd instance, etc. Alternately for the drop-down list; down arrow displays the whole column so you can arrow-key up/down. In general one does not need to touch the mouse to handle Windows processes like saves. I like actions but they are not worth saving one second while giving up otherwise available visual confirmation of a location or process, filename or file structure. That level of checking just has to go on the bill to the client. Most important to never miss a mistake that the client finds. In this respect an action can be less sure if the checking is then cumbersome. Needless to say the devil is in the details.

(2) My original post of this request was in the Adobe/photoshop/ forum with some label like feature request, which is somehow disconnected from this "Photoshop Family" geography. Some helpful person suggested it belonged here.

Overall Adobe is running a giant support maze, filled with blind illiterate mice, attended to by a few Adobe labeled helpers who often have big egos. If you tell one to back off, they flip out and come back aggressive. That's my experience. It's a mess. The "Creative Cloud" app acts like Microsoft designed it; illogical interface, F- ergonomics, terrible thing designed to sell software not support subscribers.

On the other hand I have called Adobe support in India, and the help for fundamental subscriber issues was fantastic, A+ including remote takeover.

In general my installation works flawlessly, I only id a couple weak points like my issue. I can have 20+ 150meg files open etc. & never a problem of capacity, stability, or speed (fast SS PC properly set up for editing). I only install the latest Photoshop and Bridge, didn't bother installing Lightroom.

Ok very good, thanks for the interaction, you are very knowledgeable. Best to you!