Lightroom/Camera Raw: HSL controls for adjustment brush and gradient tools

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The addition of HSL controls for the adjustment brush and the gradient tools would be a wonderful advancement and offer LR another great feature set that I'm sure would come in handy for the vast majority of Lightroom users.
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Giuliano Cecatto

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I believe that Adobe doesn't pay atention to this forum. So many real improvements to do and nothing... Very frustrated!
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Let’s make this threat pop. This was way to long adobe was ignoring this thread. This is serious issue. Fook they legalized weed. And we still can’t get Hsl on a freaking camera raw. Let’s keep commenting until this corporate asshole can Implement this most basic feature. Keep on going guys
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We need to take this forum to Reddit
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Add HSL to selective tool !!.

The selection tools is fantastic, however I don't understand why we can't change HSL with it! it would be so great if we could change saturation, hue etc of just one part of the image! I don't want to go on Ps for that!
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several times i need remove excessive red skin on groom in very white people. Using global HSL also change all reds in the photo, like red dresses. Is very important add HSL in adjustment tool to be more precise
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Exactly.
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While I agree it would be easier to have HSL sliders, you do have the functionality already. You can select the skin only by using the adjustment brush, if needed combined with a range mask. Then you can adjust the saturation with the saturation slider of the brush, and the hue with the white balance sliders of the brush.
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I agree with Johan Elzengathe new Color Range Mask local controls are much more selective than the HSL panel controls. IMHO they are also much easier to use and provide better results once you understand how they work. See my post below for more details.

https://console.getsatisfaction.com/photoshop_family/conversations/hsl_controls_for_adjustment_brush...

Here's an example using the new Color Range Mask control compared to the current global HSL controls. The objective in this example was to remove the color saturation in the Magenta color block. A Graduated filter was applied to the right chart to allow comparing the results with the left chart. You can apply ANY number of settings and will achieve the same degree of selectivity, which is far superior to the HSL sliders TAT control. You can download and test this image file for yourself: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2df6jd7ernto41/IMG_1837_Canon%20600D.dng?dl=0

Color Range Mask Controls



HSL Controls

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You can do this using the Color Range Mask tools available in the Adjustment Brush, Radial Filter, and Graduated filter. The HSL controls are limited to eight colors, which isn't isn't very selective. By comparison the Color Range Mask has virtually unlimited color selectivity using its eyedropper tool. In fact the Color Range tools make addition of the HSL controls almost redundant. It's just a different and less selective way of adjusting color. You can add as many Color Masks as you like to correct different image areas and/or colors.

I suspect most people that reject this as a solution don't understand how to use it. Here's a good tutorial on the topic of skin tone correction in portraits. Jump to 3:55 for the segment on portrait retouching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usD8FIdQtkU
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I watched the video and yes it is an effective way of altering colors; however, it is not nearly as straightforward as tweaking sliders which we have understood for, what, a decade?  How do you use this approach to boost (not reduce) colors that are not in the image?  Most people using the HSL sliders tweak more than one slider control, e.g. reduce the green and yellow sliders if grass is too green or boost both if not enough.  So the sliders do give us effective AND SIMPLE control over a range of colors.  Why not give us the set of controls we already understand?  Other products do.
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I agree!
In Capture One, make layer, paint mask, adjust anything (inside or outside) mask, including HSL
<https://learn.captureone.com/tutorials/color-editor/>
Come on Adobe make it simple  like this
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The reason Adobe doesn't do what seems evident to most anyone using Lightroom is probably for reasons other than those we suspect. Usually because Adobe is run by non-users like ... techies, or .... accountants. Logic from a user's point of view has nothing to do with corporate decision making most of the time. Most corporations are run in a similar dis-embodied manner it seems. Go figure.
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And this is the reason why a lot of serious photographers turn their nose up at LR. I love LR but I have to defend it amongst my peers. Adobe could take it to the next level and be a real competitor to Capture One but they are stuck in a pro-sumer mentality, adding features that cater to the middle market. 
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Thank you Champ and .... while you may or may not be correct - depending on your personal standards on what good color is, telling clients that what they hanker for repeatedly and insistently is available via workarounds and that they should just read up on it is .... a marketing 101 no-no and probably experienced on the receiving end as tantamount to tone deafness (forgive the pun). Is that what Adobe is looking for? The fix can't be that technically challenging for Adobe.
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2019 and this still isn't a feature, pretty disappointing adobe!!!!
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because these damn libraries are sooooooooo useful.... really?
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To all who argue on technical ground in this feed: you are missing the point. 

The point is: when clients and long-time users keep asking for a simple fix just provide it - don't lecture; enough lecturing already.
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This is one of the main reasons I keep looking to other software. Adobe, if you are reading this, you are falling behind. You need to start making improvements or we're just going to find better software to use.
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This would be awesome. Now currently In real estate photos I desaturate yellow and orange with lightroom, then open the image in photoshop to mask the areas I want. It would be much faster to have the HSL be brushable. 
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Yeah.  It's only a 9 year old request so keep hoping.  :-)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I'm sure it's a dead horse around here, but please make HSL adjustments available....

For obvious reasons. Please and thank you, all!
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hello everybody,
yes, it is strange. i am using luminar or ON1 now for artistic effects. gorgeous.
lightroom gives me a decent image especially with seimeffects, ramelli,... presets and then luminar4 pops all and come back to lightroom for dodge and burn with radial and graduated filters+brush.
this forum seems not the best. i post such request on other ones like julieannekost tweets+blog, lightroomkillertips. feel free to join there too :-)
https://lightroomkillertips.com/february-2020-lightroom-classic-adobe-camera-raw-and-lightroom-cloud...


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Local Hue was implemented in the June 2020 Release. See https://theblog.adobe.com/from-the-acr-team-introducing-the-hue-adjustment-tool/ for details!
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Cool, the post was just 9 years old :D
Jokes apart, thanks!
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I've been asking Adobe for this feature since the local adjustment brush was added in LR2 I believe. They don't listen to end users. Ever.
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I will go look. I was in a car accident earlier this month so I haven't updated my software yet this month. It would be nice to see this was added ten years or so after I was the first one to ask for it.
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Nope. They half assed it again. There needs to be an eye dropper function to select the exact shade/hue of the target color you want to affect. Adobe is king at half asking updates that have been requested for years.
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In Lightroom Classic and Camera Raw you use the Range Mask Tool - in Color Mode to select the exact Hue you want exposed to the local adjustment tool. There is an eye dropper for that function...
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Nope. They half assed it again. There needs to be an eye dropper function to select the exact shade/hue of the target color you want to affect. Adobe is king at half asking updates that have been requested for years.
The Local HUE tool works great but like anything else you have to take the time to learn how to use it and apparently you haven't done that.  Like all other Local adjustment tools you have to select what you want changed first.  
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I will take a look. Was in a car accident on Friday and I hadn’t updated anything yet this month. I updated Lr classic earlier today and had a quick look. I’ve taught Adobe software for years so I don’t need a lecture on how to use it. I made it clear in my previous post why I hadn’t updated yet. With the car accident, I haven’t been at the computer much this month.
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No Adobe always half asses their updates. They could really make this a quick use toolinLR but they choose not to.
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Kristi
Sorry, I hope you are fully healed from the accident.  I have played with the Hue tool quite a bit and it works very well but I have found you pretty much have to use the Color Range Mask to make it effective. It seems to work in circumstances I didn't thinK it would work well for.   I think you will like it and find it very useful and will help to not have to round-trip to Photoshop as often for hue changes.
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This is a big step in the right direction. Thanks guys.
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This is a big step in the right direction. Thanks guys.
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Any particular reason we can't just have the regular HSL tab copy pasted into the local adjustments? Would be a lot simpler than futsing with the Colour Range Mask (which also means you can only effect one colour in a selection instead of 2 or 3) and this new slider.

Would also be great if we could click and scroll wheel this new slider (and also the two different types of mask sliders) like you can with all the other sliders in LR.

Cheers.
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The new local HSL control is much more selective and has a greater range than the HSL panel controls.
Here's an example using a Graduated filter dragged off canvas to apply the local settings to the whole image. The Color Range control was used to select the color of the purple gems and then use the local Hue slider to change the color to green. The Adjustment Brush could have also been used if you want to target a specific area of the image. You won't get that selectivity and range of hue using the HSL panel controls. To increase saturation use the local Saturation control and for luminance the local Exposure control. Since a Color Range Mask has been applied those settings will only be applied to the selected color area. It's not all that difficult once you understand how to use the Color Range Mask control.

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Thank you Rikk and Adobe Team,
this local Hue tools is a very good step. Please implement the Color and Luminance Range Mask in LR (mobile and Desk) to be able to select the areas, then I am happy (for the moment :-)
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While adding hue to local adjustments is a step in the right direction, we're still missing local luminosity. I shoot real estate and would love to change the blue luminosity of the sky without effecting the blues of the house. 
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What do you think local exposure does?
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hello,
you have exposure and saturation and also color range mask for the blue.
If you put a gradient on the sky (sometimes outside image) and use the erase brush i think you could select only the sky
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Robert and Marc, are you talking about LR CC Mobile?
If yes, please explain the steps in detail, that would be great.
Update: Yes, in LR Classic it is possible and we are here in the LrC support category
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Hi guys,
I have a hard time understanding this new adjustment "improvement". I find the video from Adobe a bit dense for anyone like me.

 Does anyone know of a Youtube tutorial where the demonstrator is articulate, speaks in measured tones and whose explanations are on the Dummies level of clarity? 

Thanks a lot.

Raphael
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@Raphael-  Please see the second demo video here to learn how to use this new local hue adjustment. https://gregbenzphotography.com/photography-tips/automatically-reduce-noise-and-change-local-color-i...

Key is to combine with color range masks, which allow you to change the hue of a specific color, rather than globally.

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George, your video is super. Makes the point clearly, is comfortable to watch and makes its point with a surprising economy of means. Well done.

I think I'll take a look at that tutorial that distinguishes between Texture and Clarity. And maybe Detail?

A million thanks.